So, Robert since you recognise (correctly, lol) that duality is both a pain in the ... and in the same time is an unavoidable ingredient in the mix, why should absolute freedom not exist?
CHAROtranquillo said (also correctly, lol) that in duality, an absolute of anything implies the absolute of it's opposite, which leads to an infinite struggle between those two opposites, to balance each other out.
Since source is infinite, wouldn't it mean that a perfect attribute exists and it is infinite too? Thus perpetuating manifestation infinitely? I would say that source is the perfect balance between two opposite attributes. Or three. Where the third attribute is the perfect balance, and source is beyond the trinity.
I'd answer to this from my understanding of Aether:
There can be balance between to opposing items within duality, meaning that both are equal in power. This means a lot of tension that can easily break, and it occurs e.g. when both opposites havn't been integrated but merely blocked off. This is like "enforced peace" from outside.
Or there can be an Aether equilibrium in which there is a point "between them" where the two cancel each other out, leading to "the eye in a tornado" which occurs after fully integrating both duality aspects, thus allowing for true peace from within no matter what's going on around. This is "inner peace".
]]>each of us is a tulpa, as Yazhi says. That is, our self is a projection and as such does not exist. that is, we imagine that the projection is true and we do not exist even now. even the universe is a projection. This is non-duality level.
This depends on what you call "self" (e.g. body, soul, I/we, counsciousness) and what you call "existence" (everything is waves, and wave patterns in the Aether obviously exist).
I agree that all the universe is a projection in a way, aka "projected" attention point waves in the Aether. But to say that this doesn't exist is nonsense, because even a thought exists as a wave pattern. It is only the perceived self that doesn't exist in the form that our "wave translators" make us believe.
What I see here is a mixed up summarization across multiple densities, which just cannot work.
]]>In my opinion, this duality is the most boring thing ever. Lol
This surely might be valid for "this" duality, but I was talking about duality in general, which automatically exists as soon as something is no longer unified at Source level.
Duality has many level, e.g. the starting "being unified at Source level in the All/Nothingness or not", existing or not, etc., because without duality nothing could exist and everything would simply be Aether equilibrium of pure neutral energy (not going to explain Aether here).
This means that not only that the cabalistic new-age claim of "at 5D there is no more duality" is false (5D being the "normal" level of physicality and duality), but duality exists all the way up in densities until one is at Source level and by that ceases to exist, albeit in less and less amounts.
This being said: "boring or not" is duality already too - otherwise it would "just be".
]]>Huh, @HiddenSquid, how about the deeply seeded fruit of desire to absolute freedom? Would you destroy that too?
Now this is getting deeply philosophical !
I'd say as long as any desires exist, there can be no absolute freedom.
Not only would one be manipulatable via these desires, they also self-limit your choices away from true freedom via a constant bias towards them. Also it creates a duality of desired/undesired things, in this case perceived freedom/limitations.
This means that "ultimate freedom" only exists in the Nothingness or All (which are the same at Source level), where "nothing matters" and one just observes everything. This, for obvious reasons is boring (which is why Source has "us" to have fun) and nothing I would want to live - not that "life" would be possible without a minimum duality that allows for existence and physicality, and by that already limit your "absolute freedom".
Insofar I consider it important that absolute freedom cannot exist, but only a subset of it which bases on personal preferences.
]]>But the destroyer exists and not as in a deity, although there is that... But it exists because it is the very core of all matrices. If it didn't, life would reign supreme (It does and doesn't eternally forever), and we couldn't shift (almost said shit haha and almost left it in there as a joke, which if we couldn't shit and not just in the biological sense, that's the same as not having the destroyer lol! And shit would reign supreme bahaha) continuously to create/preserve/evolve the imagination/life/consciousness.
As I said, continuing with life and the imagination will mean eventually we'll encounter or even experience great evil/horror throughout the eternities, or even commit these things in the name of continuing to cultivate life/imagination. But maybe I lack imagination, idk, just seems probable somewhere in eternal consciousness development it will happen, whether knowingly or unknowingly by our creation/preservation efforts. Even psychopaths/sociopaths (earthy, galactic, cosmic or whatever) love themselves. And therefore every being is psychotic. All life feeds on itself and other life (integration for dinner anyone?), no exceptions whatsoever in life/imagination.
You see vegans going around protesting the eating of animals, but what of say, other lifeforms that go around protesting you eating plants, because they perceive plants as forming a vast life-force that transmutes light? Well I got another one for you, what if there are lifeforms that perceive you or plants consuming light or ambient energy? What if that light or ambient environmental energy were intelligent sentient forces of nature, and you just ate them! Snuffing them out (integration for breakfast anyone?). I realize all of what I am saying might border on the most extreme of ridiculousness, but it's true! And of course I think it's absurd and how could I actually care about all that I'm saying? I can't nor anyone else as long as we imagine we're the source or god, or a shard, imagining ourselves being a person.
So in short becoming only the infinite destroyer (just taking the real red pill) and destroying the infinite creator/preserver/source totally from within saves one from inevitable bondage, suffering and evil. It is the only way to escape all that forever. And it can only happen by refusing all fear, all desire, and realizing we are not the body, not the mind, nor our knowledge, not our emotions, not soul, not the universe, not god, not source, and never engage in it again; refusing all of that completely, that you alone are beyond all of that. You then can never be touched, influenced, attacked, or perceived again, and you are beyond all bliss. You may ask well what's the point in all that, well... That's for you to decide. Hell you've got forever to figure it out or not to. As I said it frees you from all, and you become part of the very force that allows all life to eternal "evolve/balance". But that force is there always anyway, with or without you, and you are also that...
Hence purple pill lol (destroyer, creator and preserver), which I think is still just a blue pill no matter what lol. And before anyone wants to call me out for being a hypocrite or being on a soapbox/pedestal, of course I am, I'll admit it to you here before you have to call me out! And if anyone wants to tell me I need to chill out and not take this seriously, well of course I will lol. I'm going to go listen to some music and "consume" it after this.
And again as I said, there is nothing wrong in dreaming/imagining/living in of itself, nothing outside of that infinite realm of the universe that cares, only existences within that clash (And oh they will always clash), consuming themselves, others and being consumed. If you want permanent peace and bliss beyond bliss, becoming the infinite inner destroyer from within is the only way, and don't ever disturb the infinite waters of consciousness again. That's how you get peace forever. If you think this is impossible, it is and isn't. If you have deeply seeded fruits of desire, you will have to taste them whether they be bitter or sweet. Only you can stop eating the fruit of desire/knowledge.
Anyways I'm done parroting and putting ideas I learned from others in my tie-dye spinner lol.
]]>So it just boils down to do you want the real red pill (the great destroyer)(and no not one where you wake up in another "biological" matrix, fighting to survive, that would be a false red pill, and that would be just another blue pill) or the next line/subscription of blue pills(the great creators and preservers). (ahem we've all taken the blue pill and wouldn't be here if we hadn't). If you take the real red pill, you never have to take it again as long as you don't take another blue pill, but if you don't take the red pill, you'll always keep taking the blue pill.
And if you think you can take both (the destroyer, the creator/preserver) or make a purple pill, well you might as well have just taken the blue pill (taking both takes away the purity and full effect of the red pill, nullifying it, because there is no half-way into absolute reality.
Anyways crude simile, but eh.
]]>He would quite often encourage those who weren't ready to just keep living their life and evolving. Sri Nisargadatta would say that the purpose of life is to live life (And I'll add here the purpose to dream is to dream, as uncertain as it is, it has to be uncertain or the tyranny of things would reign supreme), but at the same time say that all of creation is an act of ignorance (And it is, I know that).
He'd simultaneously encourage many to seek absolute reality, and at the same time to those who weren't ready offer avenues or trains of thought for one to continue living life in a more harmonious, wise/intelligent manner as to lessen suffering, but he wouldn't shy away from claiming that eventually it must be abandoned to escape suffering, because if one continues on the Bhogi path, effort must continuously be asserted to maintain the imagination's evolution.
Anyways please I don't want to be in the position of being one of those questioners in his book assailing the fortress that has no openings, no closings, no barriers, no form of any kind, etc lol (and were there to be, it'd only be forms of my own false sense of imagination). I say a million years for me or the delay because I'm just being honest with myself and to you, for I'm not ready to step out of the river of dreams. Nothing will come to me to take me out of it because if there were, well it would be part of the river of dreams.
Even though he would claim that a being can end the dream(s) for themselves right at any moment if they are earnest/sincere enough, but it doesn't have to happen. He would advocate for one to contemplate these things at their own pace. Everything he said was simultaneously true in a relative and absolute sense and also contradictory, but that's due to words being hallow, and the contradictions are of the mind alone. I say a million years, and it could be billions and when I do step out of it, it will literally be as if nothing happened, no time at all had passed, and I was nothing/no-one all along apparently, not even an I. Like RA would say, that it is their destiny to merge with the all, having no memory, no identity at all, because absolute reality destroys all imaginations, not out of a sense to destroy, or a mission to systematically destroy, but by it's nature of being outside all limitations.
In the end though Sri Nisargadatta did say that the ultimate understanding is that there is no ultimate understanding.
Anyways I do enjoy these topics, but I should probably step out of polluting this forum for awhile or altogether lol.
]]>(probably millions of years before I remember I am that which Sri Nisargadatta is).
Do not let a thought about time delay "millions of years" an Understanding that is always available to you NOW. The way of realization (enlightenment) that Nisargadatta taught is the direct path, or what is also called, the way of the eagle or bird. What does it mean? It means that, in order to reach the Understanding of the Source, it is not limited by time, that is, it is NOT A PROCESS. Consciousness DOES NOT EVOLVE because the Source or Absolute IS always NOW. It is also for this reason that this teaching is called "the pathless path" because as you go forward, you retrace your own steps. That which is ETERNAL is always there, available because it DOES NOT CHANGE OR INCREASE. If you perceive it as if it is expanding, it is because you really DO NOT KNOW what it really IS.
The idea that the universe evolves, nature evolves, "man evolves" arises from the arrogant idea that you can hide behind the veil of ignorance that which is ETERNAL, (a word that defines that time does not exist). All the myths of the hero have been established on this false idea of "evolution", that is to say, on the idea of incompleteness. From this idea of incompleteness, great deeds of honors and victories have been narrated: the series of adventures of a protagonist who must go through a series of stages, in a network of difficulties or tests that are established on the basis of achievements and that must be overcome "until reaching the chalice of victory or wisdom and return regenerated".
The truth is that this "hero" or "heroine" has never achieved anything, because his achievements are the achievements of time and death whose effects and consequences are nothingness. Thus all his deeds of this hero/heroine have kept him and keep him distracted in the deep sleep of evolution in an infinite loop, which takes many forms and scenarios (aliens included) and wanders fruitlessly in and out of places and situations which inexorably ALWAYS LEAD TO A STREET WITH NO EXIT: A dream of which he HAS NOT YET AWAKENED nor will he awaken because its foundations are settled among the shifting sands of inconclusion and the dreamer's own uncertainty, because REALITY, the ABSOLUTE, cannot be dreamed, nor can the dreamer realize through a dream what REALITY is made of.
REALITY can only be understood from REALITY itself, never from the dream. This apparently unbridgeable gap, this Gordian knot, can only be transcended from the only position of humility of the ego (i.e. the dreamer), of which it is capable, RECOGNIZING THAT IT DOES NOT KNOW. This "not knowing" is not the not knowing that refers to ignorance of the things of the intellect, this "not knowing" is the CONTEMPLATIVE NOW, free of all judgment, that places you at the lintel of entrance to the SOURCE... the rest, will follow.
]]>Anyways, my personal universe, temporal/transient--identity/experience aside, if anyone wants to know more about the ideas being talked about here, I highly recommend "I Am That" by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj. It definitely complements Yazhi's cosmic/metaphysical teachings very much, at least to me it seems.
]]>I found his book in this very old used book store in the capital of my state, and the place was so old, the entire store was filled with dust, piles of books everywhere, non-conforming bookshelves everywhere of various designs, and when I went in I was the only physical person in there besides the store's owner, and as I went into chaotic aisles of books I had a golden light being break through the veils more than usual to harmonize with my vibrational-frequency perception patterns so I could perceive them as being more lucidly solid than say having psychic contact with a being within your mind, and the being guided me directly to this book. It was all torn up and taped up to keep it from falling apart. And I've never had such a paranormal experience/directive towards acquiring a specific book until then, and only then.
I've been rereading it ever since, especially within the last 3 years. I don't think I could've been a vibrational match to or understand Yazhi's cosmic teachings without reading "I Am That".
Anyways, just thought I would share my story in finding that book. I know at some point I'll move past needing to read the book, but who knows (probably millions of years before I remember I am that which Sri Nisargadatta is). Definitely a classic, and the most earthy book that conveys profound wisdom I've ever known. A book I would absolutely treasure the most and would want with me where ever I go in the universe. I'll eventually grow out of it, but definitely something I'll turn to as long as I last within this 3D timeline of Earth.
]]>Thanks for the reply QUIETpuddle.
I don't have time to write a reply now so I will #VegaBookmark this, and save this for when I have more time.
#QUIETpuddleBookmark
]]>When I first saw CHARCOtranquilo sharing information here, I joked to myself saying omg that's Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj reincarnated!
If I were Sri Nisargadatta reincarnated, it would be a clear symptom that his enlightenment was false.
When Nisargadatta was asked if there was reincarnation he would say... I am the unborn therefore this thing he calls Nisargadatta has never reincarnated. And when they questioned this statement saying that Nisargadatta was here speaking to people and therefore he was born, Nisargadatta would reply: I only exist in your mind. But for the Absolute or the Source Nisargadatta does NOT exist.
Anyways, I must also apologize CHARCOtranquilo, as I'm not meaning to derail what you're sharing. I probably should've asked you if you've read that book, but pretty much everything you share is so similar to what I have read from "I Am That". So I thought I would point this book out incase anyone wants to go deeper with these ideas.
Well done . Every time someone recognizes himself in these words whether they come from @QUIETpuddle , Nisargadatta, or Yazhi he is recognizing himself in his ETERNITY.
To me Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj is also similar to Yazhi's cosmic discussions. Yazhi seems like an Extraterrestrial version/spectrum of what Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj talks about, just an earthy, indian/hindu version of what Yazhi talks about.
That's right.
]]>When I first saw CHARCOtranquilo sharing information here, I joked to myself saying omg that's Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj reincarnated!
Anyways, I must also apologize CHARCOtranquilo, as I'm not meaning to derail what you're sharing. I probably should've asked you if you've read that book, but pretty much everything you share is so similar to what I have read from "I Am That". So I thought I would point this book out incase anyone wants to go deeper with these ideas.
To me Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj is also similar to Yazhi's cosmic discussions. Yazhi seems like an Extraterrestrial version/spectrum of what Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj talks about, just an earthy, indian/hindu version of what Yazhi talks about.
]]>I don't have time to write a reply now so I will #VegaBookmark this, and save this for when I have more time.
]]>Perspi what now? lol
(Google was kind enough to give me the greek translation too so I understand precisely what that words means now)
A person who is able to notice things that go unnoticed by others.
One question I (as my local temporal separate self) am very interested about is:
Once you consolidate this and your ETERNAL Consciousness emerges, is that a permanent state or can you switch back and forth between those two states or two perspectives, the eternal and the temporal? (Cause remember I love my spaceships and galaxies and planets and body illusion games lol and I am a cosmic chicken, this "child" fractal of Source is afraid that it is going to loose it's toys if it switches to that state lol)
Cause if you can switch back and forth then it would be much easier for my separate self to let go of the attachment to the temporal identity, and allow myself to surrender and "drop back" to my Eternal Self's state. I don't know if what I'm trying to say is clear, I don't have much time so this is a bit rushed. I think based on this the answer is yes, but I would love to hear if you(or anyone else) have anything to say about this.
1º Yes, "that state is permanent" because it is a "NON-STATE". What does a "non-state" mean? That there is no beginning and end of experience, which is precisely what characterizes the states of the person-ego-self mind. In other words, there is no "I" to appropriate experience. Since there is no appropriation of experience, that is, since it is non-personal, such an Understanding of Ineffability, is not subject to the intellective-cognitive conditionings that will try to define "what it is like to LIVE to that ETERNAL emergence".
What must be understood is that the only REAL, is that which is not subject to change, and "states of consciousness" are per se impermanent or transitory, due to their entropic nature. This means that the so-called densities are also impermanent states of consciousness and therefore are not real, i.e., they ARE ALL ILLUSORY.
The enormously paradoxical thing is that when this emergence of the ETERNAL occurs, (which is always surprising, total, and instantaneous) and there is as such an Understanding of such an event "there is no one at home" to give testimony of such an epiphany.
There are many testimonies of people who claim to have had "spiritual experiences", whether provoked with psychedelic, synthetic or natural drugs (entheogens). These experiences in their genesis are states that cannot be sustained in time. That is to say, they are born, to then fade away remaining as a memory or what I personally call cognitive residual memory that as time goes by the evocation of the vivid and fresh memory weakens and is transformed into an intellectualized story recalled by the person who "lived the experience". On the contrary, in the emergence of the ETERNO, since the intellective mind does not intervene, the memoristic processes and the evocation of the memory do not intervene either. A simile could be made with the act of breathing. What becomes evident is that no one needs to be constantly remembering how to breathe and which muscles to mobilize. It simply happens, without the intervention of what we would call a volitional act that would necessarily involve memory for its performance. Although this is a simile, which would hardly illustrate this "experience" of enormous magnitude and expansion of the consciousness, it allows us to understand that the essential difference between "a psychospiritual state" and the "emergence of the ETERNAL is that in the latter the fact that once this EPIPHANY occurs, it is PERMANENT, REAL, AND ALWAYS FRESH, BRIGHT, FROM INSTANT TO INSTANT, WITHOUT ANY EVOCATIVE OR REMEMORATIVE ASPECT AND THERE IS NO RETURN BACK.
2º That idea of alternation to which you allude between "states", "Eternal vs. temporal", this duality, does not exist as such, since as I have explained above this emergence of the Eternal is NOT a state. That is to say, there is an "overlap" between the Eternal and the temporal where consciousness is lived without distinctions, that is to say, all is ONE. The temporal is as spiritual as the Eternal and the -Eternal is as earthly as the temporal and vice versa. Heaven and earth become ONE and the same. ALL IS SPIRITUAL. And from this transcendent understanding the life of the everyday is simplified in a permanent state of active acceptance of everything that happens in the different vicissitudes of life. In all acts, in all actions, a constant understanding of consistent, solid unity permeates, because the "I-doer", that is, the thief who appropriates the acts, this "psychological I", has disappeared and what remains in all actions is a non-personal, constant flow, at the bottom of which there is a constant of humble authenticity.
And responding to your fear of "losing your toys": the toys will still be there, but with a new perspective: the toys will no longer enslave you: if you have them, they are welcome and if you lose them, they are accepted without reservation. You know that you are not the toys, that is, the dream of illusion.
Now, here I leave this link where I expand on this question.
https://forum.swaruu.org/viewtopic.php?id=1514
https://forum.swaruu.org/viewtopic.php?id=1513
The film of the character in my photograph is
Der Himmel über Berlin (Wings of Desire)
Directed by
Wim Wenders