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#1 Re: English Forum » Dear Toleka Crew » 2022-06-08 01:51:49

My heart hurts for them, so much. I just hope they know their work was not a loss. They have altered things for the positive and the messages continue to alter things for the positive. And those who’s lives they touched continue by touching others lives.

To the Team:

I agree with Scott, if it means stopping contact to protect yourselves, do it. What you have given us here will continue by the ones that have heard the message loud and clear. It will not be wasted. 

My love and energy and gratitude is sent to you.

#2 Re: English Forum » Update on my reality » 2022-06-04 01:17:43

Thank you for this. It is also starting to be witnessed in my own life on the other side of the Great Pond from you. You expressed it beautifully, thank you.

#3 Re: English Forum » No Time, No Distances, No Energy, No Matter... » 2022-06-03 18:18:15

Robert369 wrote:

Obviously we currently have no other "words" than Cabal languages (most of which indeed are badly limited), but my above statement expressly named "definitions" and "laws" and not "words", meaning that it is about content and not language. This means that "real content" can only be achieved by "truthful and real science" and not by the current "bribed and agendized fake-science" which is allowed to only achieve an intended result.

If doing this on their own, Humanity has a long way to go to replace the current 99.99% fake-science, but luckily there's help available as soon as Humanity has sufficient ethics and consciousness to be ready for it. And all of it starts within each individual's personal development, because for obvious reasons one shouldn't have access to technologies that by far exceed one's ethics and consciousness level.

And since you bring up the topic of language: It is useful to think about or research what the words and phrases we use in our daily life actually mean, because many of them were implanted by the Cabals to distort meanings and more.

Fully agree with cabal based “definitions” and “laws” … definitely should learn them and learn better ways of expressing the concept. However, that’s provided the person has, in fact, learned it’s a cabal word/definition and found a better way to express the concept. For some of us, language, specifically word finding is beyond exhausting as is. I’d much rather give you a very detailed image of what I’m thinking of then find the appropriate words to express it to the level I could just give you if you saw my thought. It’s exhausting. To add to it that exhausting having to think of words/definitions not to use would make my head explode.

“Infinity” as defined as some not able to be measured. Cabal or not, it’s appropriate (limited but appropriate) in the concept of Source being out of the range of comprehension. No word will express that fully, none, because by definition it can’t be placed inside the confines of a word.

#4 Re: English Forum » No Time, No Distances, No Energy, No Matter... » 2022-06-03 16:10:23

Robert369 wrote:

I strongly advise against using any Cabal "definitions" or "laws" no matter the context as they all are agendized to hide how things truly work.

Just curious what language is not “cabal” and how do we express ourselves without using “cabal” words?

#5 Re: English Forum » 14 May 2022 to 6 June 2022 - Birth of a New Era (edited for PG13) » 2022-06-02 22:00:57

Scott Summers wrote:

By the way, I was personally shocked when the draft Supreme Court opinion overturning Roe v Wade was leaked.

So, just for your reference only (if you’re interested) and purely my opinion.


Scott, legal question…I saw a couple articles last year about groups fighting the mandates. An obscure article mentioned one of the main legal arguments…RvW. Doesn’t that legislation help with medical privacy? Medical freedom? What happens to HIPPA if it gets overturned? What happens to medical freedom? Right to choose, right? It’s actually a serious argument against mandates. I 100% sense something behind not being shown on the surface level  with this pending decision…

#6 Re: English Forum » A former gamers awakened perspective » 2022-06-02 18:11:43

naringas wrote:

in my opinion, not only games, but on an even grander scale (wider perspective), the notion of software really allows for some really expansive (and much improved) ways to understand reality

Extreme amount of truth. It makes me want to search and expand further, just like the movie disclosure topic. The more I put my experience side by side this disclosure, the more I see it. When I started “waking up” and I started seeking answers, I couldn’t be in the game. It bothered me to the core. Almost like when you start waking up to this disclosure and start seeing things…you want off this place so fast! Interestingly, my whole business in there was based on helping people learn “the ropes” because it’s an extremely frustrating place as a “noob.” The parallel of the inner sense that some of us have that we are here to guide in some way does not escape me at all. In fact, I think I snorted so loud when I saw it that I scared the cat!

Big (and correct) idea that these things are hidden in plain sight for Karmic reasons, so the cabal has “clean hands”. Equally big idea that these things are hidden in plain sight so our higher selves can show us the truth so we wake up and understand…

#7 Re: English Forum » No Time, No Distances, No Energy, No Matter... » 2022-06-02 16:29:12

mitkobs wrote:

is just IS, this is how Source is expressed in perfect way.

Love this, truly

#8 English Forum » A former gamers awakened perspective » 2022-06-02 15:19:04

DebraRenee
Replies: 3

Seeing this is amazing me greatly, sharing it here because you all will understand it better than anyone else, please forgive the length of it, I hope it is of value to someone…

Here I admit my slightly dorky “gamer” background…

Gosia, in one of her videos, I think it was a live stream, mentioned a game called Secondlife. The concept of it from 3D perspective is rather silly, I admit. You go into a virtual world and you have a make believe life. This is a world I was very very active in for a good part of 11 years. 3D base reasons why I joined, but it’s given me this bizarre perspective when I look at concepts discussed here.

There is no “storyline” as in you don’t play it to have an end goal of beating the levels. You just go in to play around, have fun, experience things for no specific reason. You can operate one avatar or many avatars. You can operate multiple ones at a time. You set the parameters of the avatar…their name, what they look like, what sex they are, what they enjoy, what they want, what they do and where they go. And you plop them in the world to interact with other characters. They have set parameters that they go by but it’s self imposed, not a “computer generated set of parameters.”

There’s a lot to this because you can see a bunch of different aspects. One is you can interact with other people all over the world that are also operating their avatars that they themselves have defined. Imagine this as our 5D ET selves interacting with each other on Earth. Learning and experiencing and sharing.

You also have another way to look at it. (Yes I’m embarrassed to admit this, but it helps, so I will) one person can operate multiple avatars at once. It is not uncommon to have one person running a male avatar, interacting and experiencing things with other people’s avatars AND operating a female avatar doing the same thing with other groups of people’s avatars. I happened to be one of those to have a ton of different avatars, not really for interacting (but I did occasionally) but more because I was a creator, I designed the avatar skins and had models and test avatars etc. But I would get bored from time to time, or if I was parking my avatar at a club to listen to dj’s and didn’t want to be messed with, out would come a male avatar and female avatar and they’d dance together as a couple. You betcha if I was bored out of my mind I’d make them interact with each other in the local chat. Same person operating both for no real experience purpose. (Yup, I’m a dork) BUT, it gives an insane perspective…
That’s Source and us. We aren’t separate, we just have parameters suggested to us in a way that makes us think that’s all we are…but ultimately we are all operated by the same “person”

Another avenue is the mischief makers. The “griefers” “hackers” etc…the ones that seem to want to make people miserable. The reason that people don’t enjoy the game fully. Lol, they are still a person operating an avatar. Ask any griefer or hacker why, typically it’s “I’m bored and/or it’s a challenge”…it’s not negative, though from those experiencing the affects, it most certainly is negative. But from the one operating the trouble making avatar, it’s a way to entertain. A way to spice up the mundane or a mental exercise just to say “I can.”

I am speaking from the eyes of the one operating the avatars…here’s another mind stretch, the eyes of the avatar themselves. They don’t know there’s one above operating them. They don’t know the perimeters that are placed on them can be changed. They don’t know the one they are dancing with at a club is being operated by the same person that’s operating them. They are just existing.

There’s NPC’s as well, computer generated avatars who are programmed a certain way to do a certain set tasks…babies and pets in there are  good examples…yes, the babies “grow” and interact as you feed and interact with them.

Lol, just seeing this all is tremendously amusing. I have entered back into that world after waking up and I walk around exploring and LAUGH hysterically at the irony of it all…

#9 Re: English Forum » No Time, No Distances, No Energy, No Matter... » 2022-06-02 13:57:24

mitkobs wrote:

Not possible to have genuine experience if you know everything. Such experience is possible if you do not know. Have to limit your wholeness and to become a part that sees and knows partially. Then what is not known currently may become a genuine experience. Source do not need to experience with being all knowing everything. If you know how to ride a bicycle is not the same as if you seat on a bicycle for the first time. If you live in a city for 20 years is not the same like if you visit the same city for the first time.

@DebraRenee I can only guess with the best of my ability. I could be wrong. It is only opinions. Why Source is going from all knowing to not knowing and gradually gaining knowledge until becoming again all knowing? Because there is nothing else to do. Imagine to be all knowing, all powerful, all present, all creative forever. Can you imagine what is like to be this way and there is only you.

I agree. Working on a deeper understanding of it. Currently it’s at just under surface level, which means hearing/seeing all sides/wording of the concept to integrate it deeper and deeper into understanding.

So it’s just experience (not the right word) for experience sake. Entertainment? For enjoyment and fun? Like us playing a game, we know full well we are playing a video game and we are doing it for no other reason then just enjoyment/entertainment…the character in the video game has a different perspective and is trying to remember what it’s like to be the one “just sitting there playing the game”? Expansion from below, most think needs experience to expand but the Swaruu’s have stated otherwise, haven’t they? That the need is just an illusion

#10 Re: English Forum » No Time, No Distances, No Energy, No Matter... » 2022-06-02 12:48:49

mitkobs wrote:

Source as Source is absolutely free from its creations. No needs of any sort. But the creations are not free as long they are that. They are dependable to each other, they are like parts of a machine in order to have a machine. They have a function and are functioning. And as long they like to play the parts there will be the machine they make together. None of this is real in general, you can quit get back being Source. Machine will not disappear, it will stay as ideas and can be experienced again and again if you become a part.
Source know everything and knowing means also Knowing in absolute terms. Infinite, not limited, beyond time-space. Do not need to experience. Need means that there is lack. Infinity do not have lacks.

No one outside of Source level can fully understand because Source is indescribable and incomprehensible. So any words we use to describe it or understand it will miss aspects. I agree Source doesn’t need anything because if it is as I stated above, it’s the All, the everything, the infinite…like you said. Are the experiences just focus points for experience sake? From lower levels, those trying to get back to Source level, do need experience to expand into the infinite. But what made the Source focus on the experiences in the first place? Infinity can’t expand anymore than it is, so if it’s not need, then what? I feel like this has been touched on in videos but I can’t pinpoint in my mind what search terms to try to find it. Also if it’s incomprehensible, I imagine everything is just limited interpretations…

#11 Re: English Forum » Anyone have something highly unusual happen recently? » 2022-06-02 10:22:48

I’ve seen/sensed an odd shift in other people. In not awakened people. It started a few days before this thread started. Actually I’ve notice it a tiny bit longer, but 2 weeks would be the giant shift. I’ve noticed it with many, a much more calm and NICER demeanor…

but the one that hit me the hardest was the person closest to me who had mentally disconnected from me 17 years ago. For 17 years I’ve tried reaching this person on the level we had originally connected. 17 years of feeling completely alone while standing next to another person. Almost two weeks now everything changed out of the blue, “nothing” triggered it because I gave up trying a few years ago, but it was like I had the person back, completely, as it use to be. I even sat there with my mouth gapping open and asking what just happened? Not only that, but the person has shifted so much that they are willing to “downsize” in expenses and lifestyle…to go simple, to chose family over an obsessed need to make money (which was based in fear, so the fear is gone) They completely shifted to a more positive timeline. I keep looking around asking where I am (Not for long, lol, I’m embracing it fully but every time the shift shows so strongly I’m so startled for a moment)

But yes, there’s a shift inside me and in the atmosphere too…but I’m seeing it in other people the most because I’m a people watcher. Normally I feel very heavy around people, it’s much lighter now…the healing energy is very real

#12 Re: English Forum » Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert? » 2022-06-01 13:34:33

Scott Summers wrote:

It’s tricky to prove (1) because how do you legally prove the existence of the Taygetans.


That right there is the key…proof. In order to have any standing on anything in the legal realm it falls on proof they are real. Which from any of us who can sense it, the proof is there on different levels. Probably a lot is shielded even from Gosia and Robert. They are safe providing the info they provide only because there’s that shadow of doubt. The level of danger for Gosia and Robert would go through the roof if it was able to be solidly proven and NO WAY would the cabal allow it…it would be a much bigger can of worms trying to fight it in courts then it is worth.

#13 Re: English Forum » Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert? » 2022-06-01 10:44:29

Scott Summers wrote:

Hi Cristianne

Are you the Cristianne from Messages to Humanity? If so, I love your videos. You have a very special talent and I understand why Sophia likes your videos too.

Ok, I confess that I was a lawyer.

But I swear I’m on medication now and am fully recovered. :-)

WARNING: Long post ahead. Pls SKIP if you find it boring.

There are two battlegrounds here:
1) Court of Public Opinion;
2) Legal Court (highly unlikely)

The first one is easy.

Gosia’s video will set out everything needed to expose the PK girls’ scheme.

Truth will always defend itself, as Tina said. So once Gosia has set everything out, we’ll leave it to people to decide.

The second one is complicated and this is why:

In any legal action or police complaint, you must:

(1)identify the defendant; and
(2)determine whether the country (Court or Police) where your complaint is filed has jurisdiction over the defendant.

Who is the defendant in the (supposed) police complaint filed by PK?

Is it someone on the Toleka?

It can’t be because (i)it would destroy their claim that the contact is fake; and (ii)uh, good luck exercising jurisdiction over an ET spaceship that can literally eat a nuke for breakfast.

(This PK girl nonsense is so ridiculous I almost can’t believe I’m typing this.)

Is it the Pornstars that are assuming the identities of ETs? Where are the Pornstars located?

This is possible, but PK would have to identify the Pornstars. The police will investigate the Pornstars (likely with great professional interest and single-minded dedication, of course). Many police hours will be spent watching Porn videos... (wait, maybe this happens normally anyways)

This is of course assuming the Pornstars are within the jurisdiction of where the Police complaint is filed.

The Pornstars will be pissed because they’re only trying to make a living on Only Fans. Pissed Pornstars are not to be trifled with. Good luck to PK girls.

I think you see where I’m going with this.

The only serious legal issue here is with regard to Robert and Gosia’s reputation (and the Social Media channels).

The issue here is whether Robert and Gosia have been defamed by PK. Without boring you further, there may be an argument here in their favour.

The accusations that the contact is fake harms Robert and Gosia’s reputation and the branding of their Media channels.

But I think Robert and Gosia want to focus on their channels and not pursue these legal options (Truth defends itself).

So, Cristianne, I think you are doing a great job.

I love your energy and remember, it was YOU that got us all cheering for the Toleka crew.


Truly the best legal analysis I’ve ever read…Pissed Pornstars XD

Would a court hear a case on defamation in regards to this topic? I see a can of worms with that and the potential for the other side to try to make a mockery of it. And the very least, potential attention on it from others will do that. I sense a bigger mess if they tried that.

One area I am interested in is the potential for copyright issues. The girls keeping that real information on their pages is a head scratcher…I know Gosia and Robert want that info free to the public because it came from the Team. I’m less familiar with how deep copyright laws can go. But I question EVERYTHING, so any sense of some thing isn’t right here bothers me…

#14 Re: English Forum » Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert? » 2022-06-01 06:14:22

Former Paralegal here (disclaimer-this is not intended for legal advice because I am legally not allowed to do so)

I’m honestly not sure where the legal fight would be? Libel/slander that one side says ET contact is false and the other side says it’s not? I know police were mentioned, I can’t help but want to be a fly on the wall to hear that conversation and see the police officers face.

But on the legal realm…however well intended a person is for going into law the system is corrupt. Horribly. Just the content issue of what’s being discussed could cause more harm than good. The legal realm can have a tendency to backfire on people. What seems logical and simple in the minds of most (or even the few if they are truly awake) is NOT logical and simple in the legal field…

Only way I’d ever approach the law arena is if I was forced there and had no other choice. I would not enter volunteerly…

Just my experience, nothing more…

#15 Re: English Forum » Support the Team » 2022-06-01 02:20:59

DarkOwl wrote:

This is a great idea! I've wanted to express my love, appreciation and support directly to the Taygetans for a while now via video but am shy about such things. DarkOwl should get over himself and just do it!

I am with you on the shy thing! I will work my way through the nerves for this, it feels important. It has the potential to affect further then just supporting the Team. There shouldn’t be any mention of the attackers…only what this contact has done for the person creating the video, what it means, what they want to say to the Team, etc.

Could you imagine the attackers faces when people start telling how their lives have changed because of this disclosure? Can you imagine the public seeing love and support from our side…and not from those girls…that’s more truth than any logical argument can show.

We are better then those girls, we are better because of this disclosure. Because of these wonderful friends who are sharing their knowledge with us. They and the public need to see that. Benevolent races need to see that too…

#16 Re: English Forum » Support the Team » 2022-05-31 11:58:20

mitkobs wrote:

Just say thank you within your mind, be appreciative in your mind for the given information. The energy from your appreication will reach instantaniously its destination and it is easy for you to give and for them to receive.


I 100% completely agree at the importance of this. I do it quite regularly. However, if video statements are irrelevant…why have we been asked to do them in the past? Both approaches can have significant value.

#17 Re: English Forum » Support the Team » 2022-05-31 04:28:01

Scott Summers wrote:

Your idea is better than mine. I support wholeheartedly. Thank you.

The idea came from your thread, I merely posted it here so it would be easier to find smile it would not have come forth had your call to do something not been made that allowed the discussion to followed smile thank YOU as well…

#18 English Forum » Support the Team » 2022-05-30 23:54:23

DebraRenee
Replies: 11

They are under attack…seems a bit like below the belt punches done less to discredit information and more to hurt the Taygetans and Swaruuians directly. They need to hear directly from us how important they are. They need our support. Is the idea of finding a place to post links to our own personal messages to them in videos an odd one? We’ve had calls to speak to the Federation and to other benevolent races…why not direct messages to the actual ones who have been supporting us…the Team? Let them know their contact is not a waste and we love and value them very much!

I’m not sure if this would be of value or not…I know if my heart was broken from the level of backstabbing happening right now, I’d like a reason to want to continue…I’d like to hear from the people I actually touched…

#19 Re: English Forum » Time to make a stand » 2022-05-30 23:35:23

Scott Summers wrote:

You are spot-on.

If someone did this to your family, would you stand up for them?

Or would you say “it’s just another opinion?”


Best way to expose a liar is to let them expose themselves. They are stepping in it big time, building a web of lies that will trap themselves. It’s only a matter of waiting…as far as they are concerned. That is not my take on what we do for the Team. They need our support, they need to know that what they have been doing is not a waste of time and they are reaching the ones that matter. I think work like the Messages to Humanity channel…others make channels, post videos telling the Team how much they mean to us. They need to hear it directly from us. The liars will expose themselves, the important thing here is showing the Team how important they are…that’s where energy should go, lifting them up…supporting them…giving them strength, they’ve sure done it for us…in my humble opinion…

#20 Re: English Forum » Time to make a stand » 2022-05-30 23:17:23

Scott Summers wrote:

What I wish to add is that we’re looking at it from the point of view of us having grown up on Earth.

Basically, we’re kind of used to this nonsense.

We’re able to compartmentalise and brush it off. This kind of resilience is necessary to survive Earth.

The Taygetans did not grow up on Earth. They’re not as thick-skinned as us. They may know everything about Earth, but that’s not the same as growing up here.

This is not to put the Taygetans down in any way. The same point could be made about us if the positions were reversed.


I get a weird feeling this is the reason they are doing what they are doing...hurt the Team so bad they don't want to talk to or be involved with anyone down here. It's the only thing that makes sense because they keep the real information on their channels so they have no doubts it true. It's like a hit below the belt type move. "we didn't get what we want so no one will get it"... My take is that people who matter will see through it easily. Most important action I want to take is letting the Taygetans and Swaruuians know their contact is of real value to a lot of us down here and we love and support them in every way.

#21 English Forum » Using duality to guide? » 2022-03-26 00:19:49

DebraRenee
Replies: 0

I’m having a hard time finding the words to appropriately express this concept. The Holistic Society videos sparked this but also drawing off more concepts as well.

Gosia asked Minerva about those who die as a result of things happening coming back to fight the cabal. That they could be here now on various levels. Yazhi talks about the majority of people’s mindsets not working to create a holistic society. The concept that the majority of consciousnesses need to experience the duality in order to grow. The papaya being a mass exodus of souls/starseeds that could be in a higher level the life plan of the consciousness.

From my own personal observations, these events have woke people up in mass. Most of those waking up are being hijacked by controlled opposition, but some are slipping through to a true awakening. The spark is a direct cause from what they are witnessing.

It’s sounds so strange, are some of the real people who have taken the papaya…the ones who’s “life plan” it is to exit…is it possible they are actually those returning to fight, for the sole purpose of waking up those choosing not to consent by “leaving” and therefore showing them the path to a desired holistic society through duality. (ie showing them what they don’t want)  I feel like those who embrace these expansive mindsets will be the ones forming the alternate/parallel societies that will have the best chance of surviving…and the ones guiding those who are stuck in having to experience duality to grow into the more positive lifestyle of a holistic society.

Truly, I am not sure if this was coherent enough, because I feel like I could build layer upon layer of each individual thought that would send this post in an infinite number of directions, but it would make the post hard to follow. Thank you for your time

#22 English Forum » Quartz Crystal » 2022-03-06 01:37:19

DebraRenee
Replies: 0

I have a question, not sure if anyone can answer...what is the significance of a type of quartz that is double terminated and 7.5 on the hardness scale as opposed to the regular 7 and is only found in one place on earth? There's something about the area...Herkimer, NY in the Mohawk Valley and I have been trying to understand what it is. I keep coming back to the type of quartz found there.

#23 Re: English Forum » Introductions / greetings » 2022-02-09 17:30:36

Hello everyone! I hope I am posting this correctly. I am from New York. I’ve never followed anything relating to ETs or UFOs. I’ve heard random bits (words, ideas) that made sense, but I didn’t explore in depth, mainly because I don’t like taking another person’s truth as my own and most channels I saw in the past seemed to operate in that way. I have explored in many other areas and beliefs…all which didn’t fully sit right with me. But over the years, I’ve gathered “puzzle pieces” of information. When I got pointed to Gosia’s English channel recently and I started to listen from the beginning…it was like I found the picture on the box of the puzzle. All my pieces fit into place. Besides the highly technical info, most of it was stuff I already knew, I just couldn’t see how they all fit together. I’m still only halfway through the videos, trying to catch up. I’m trying to remain silent until I get through it all since I don’t want to comment on something that is later explained. I am forever grateful for the contact and for the information being given to the public. The way it is presented is…perfect. Multiple things can be true, it’s never pressed that you must believe it just because and always told to seek it out for yourself. Thank you for everything, so very much. Have a beautiful day!

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