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#1 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 02:03:30

That's the transcript I was paraphrasing from about Ishtar, thanks for posting that snippet from it smile

Happy wrote:

I see that I really needed this exchage, as a lot has obviously left my conscious reflections lately. When I looked up Ishtar in the transcripts, things makes sense again:


From: Ancient Egypt - Symbology - Ancient History - Swaruu and Dhor Káal'el (Extraterrestrial Perspective)


Swaruu: To clarify something about Ishtar. It is one more example of a positive character who was flipped in favor of the negatives, cream and lies have been added to it to make the concept work for them, and what is said about Ishtar has little or nothing to do with the woman who really existed.

So-called scholars believe that human genetics came from her as a progenitor. The truth is that she is the one who has altered the genes. She is the Geneticist. But not the one that negatively altered them. The one who went in to try to correct the problem. The one who tried to liberate the repressed ones from the frequencies of the newly imposed Matrix. Giver of knowledge. In the book of Genesis, the one who gave the apple of knowledge to Adam, Adamic race = Homo Atlantis. A young woman who gave knowledge, freedom and technology, an expert geneticist and who flew seated and you only flew sitting on a chair in a ship. The gods of old are almost always related to space explorers, many of them of our race.

Ishtar as it is painted in history, even the one written by the Egyptians, never existed, the concept of it was based on visitors. Yes, Ishtar and Osiris were people... but the rest is cream added by the ancients themselves because that was done a lot at that time. An example of this are the Greeks and their exaggerations about stories that did happen.


For example, Medusa did exist... but it was not as the Greeks portray it. Medusa is none other than Ishtar herself again <--- But it is symbolism taken literally.

#2 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 01:48:16

That sounds somewhat possible, except Yazhi said there are no humanoid/Lyrians that live on the planet Jupiter since its atmosphere isn't conducive to that type of life (its more like the layers of the ocean but with gasses and pressure than water). What is missing from Yazhi's information, if there are 5D Karistus and 5D Jupiter is only habitable for animals then were do those Karistus live? I guess we could speculate that they exist in a in-between pocket frequency within the 5D range? As for them having physical wings on a Lyrian body, Aneeka would've mentioned that as it would be obvious for someone standing in front of you with wings hanging out from their back; she didn't say they had actual wings but were an ability to project them, since she did say they have met and talk to Karistus 5D.

Happy wrote:
Vanessa wrote:

I discern between "they use wings as symbol..." and "they manifest with wings as angelic beings".

The second Taygetans are not capable of as they are 5d.


Wings could actually be their natural evolutionary state. Remember the fluidity and gradients of Jupter's atmosphere. That's their home world... smile

#3 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 01:41:53

And you completely dismissed how densities work as they are states of frequency due to consciousness, maybe you did this because it doesn't make sense to you; BUT it is applicable as it directly impacts a being in what they can and can't do when it comes to manifestation.

Vanessa wrote:

I discern between "they use wings as symbol..." and "they manifest with wings as angelic beings".

The second Taygetans are not capable of as they are 5d.

#4 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 01:40:37

It was mentioned in one of the chats, can't recall exact one from memory; that the Taygetan geneticist Ishtar worked to undo the genetic experiments done on the Lyrians that were held as captive slaves in Atlantis, so correcting what the reptiles were doing to people under their control. Which is why the Cabal demonize her, like the Medusa character with snakes on her head, and have created the black version which they worship; since they do recognize her geneticist abilities but despise her for having worked against them during the Atlantis/Lemuria time.

Happy wrote:
Vanessa wrote:

The Goddess would be Ishtar imo.

Seeker_Ivy wrote:

Even the one woman named Ishtar, also known as Inanna and Medusa, was said to be a Taygetan geneticist; so why would Karistus have her as their goddess??


Anyone heard about the Ishtar's Atlantis connection? I haven't, but I wouldn't be surprised one bit, as I suspect her to be of the same "sphere" as Thoth, who migrated from there.

#5 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 01:36:42

Yes, language can cause confusion; and sure, they can claim Earth as their interest.

Happy wrote:

Hm... language again...

As you properly explain, Seeker_Ivy, I'm pretty sure everybody involved would agree that the Earth does not belong or is owned by anyone - perhaps with the exception of the AI-infused parts of the Federation and their pitch-black puppets both on and off planet.

It wasn't said in the transcript that the Earth belongs to them, or is owned by them. Neither have the Taygetans done so.

The nuance in this is perhaps seen in what is not said:

you wrote:

[...] they can't claim Earth as theirs.


I agree, they can't claim it as their property. But they can claim it as their interest.

#6 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 01:35:34

Karistus are not only 6D beings, and that isn't even a level of being either as there is form there too; since densities don't work like divided blocks but are a gradual increase and decrease in frequency due to a being's level of consciousness, (so matter appears less dense in higher vibratory states to those in lower ones). And as has also been shared, Taygetans and Karistus both use the wings symbol and both have contributed to the sighting/encounters with angels; so you can't just say one can do this while the other can't when both have the ability, but it comes down to choice how they present themselves.


Vanessa wrote:

Taygetans cannot do the same, they are not etheric 6D beings.

#7 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 01:27:34

Please don't patronize me, I've read all the questions/answers you posted and as I said they contain contradictions to what the Taygetans and Swaruunians shared. That aside, if appearing as angels to humans was no big deal than Taygetans could easily do that too, since they also use the angel symbol; BUT they know full well what that contributes to in the psyche of the human mind and that is seeing themselves as less than the Taygetans which goes in the opposite direction of enabling humans to realize they are also Source and not inferior to any other race.


Vanessa wrote:

Read question 1 again pls.

#8 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 01:20:38

Wanting to be seen as angels, IS causing division; its why humans see themselves as less when compared to an angel who to them are messengers of god i.e humans then see themselves as not also being God/Source. It's a subtle division but one nonetheless and a big foundation in the religions that keep humans stuck. Also, Ishtar is as distorted as who the Annunaki are; as it's been shared that it's a basket name for Taygetan women that have helped humanity (just like the snake symbol not being an actual animal but a term for Taygetan women). Even the one named Ishtar, also known as Inanna and Medusa, was said to be a Taygetan geneticist; so why would Karistus have her as their goddess??

Vanessa wrote:

The Goddess would be Ishtar imo.
And from the answers by Loka Karistus are not causing any division. Read her answers again pls.

#9 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 01:11:17

They might not acknowledge to be a collective, but all do repeat the same thing that they work on behalf of the Goddess (who seems to me to be Source just named differently, like the Urmah's name Cosmic Cat); so regardless of frequency range and possession of wings, when they show themselves in 3D the majority choose to appear with wings due to wanting to be seen as angels. Which falls back into the original point of this chat, why appear as angels at all when that only causes a hierarchy between them and humans, when we are all people just on different levels of awareness. I've understood the Taygetans using the wings symbol as a practical message 'we have spaceships and can move around planets/stars/frequency ranges,' NOT 'we are superior beings and messengers of Source.' I don't want to beat a dead horse since we've covered this part a lot, but in my view Karistus should be aware enough to not create more division between Source than there already is, (as I'm sure they know ALL is Source, not only a select few).

Robert369 wrote:
Seeker_Ivy wrote:

hm from how the chat read on what Taygetans and Swaruunians said; they were speaking for the whole Karistus race and not specific individuals. Yazhi saying 'They (plural) appear with wings because they like to be seen as angels,' clumps them all together, so direct this critique of word choice to Yazhi not me, (as I went by her assessment).

That wasn't critics towards you but the communicated details in general.

I e.g. remember them also saying that they appear with and without wings, physical or non-physical, etc. depending on their frequency and desire, also that not all Karistus are in 6D but some one lower, so there's plenty of variety to expect not only in appearance but obviously also in viewpoints.

Which, since they are far from being a collective, is expectable anyways.

#10 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 01:01:39

Np, Happy; glad that part is cleared up smile

But unless Karistus live on this planet, star-seeds aside (since Taygetan has star-seeds here yet doesn't claim Earth as theirs due to that); they can't claim Earth as theirs. Even the Taygetans disagree with the Karistus claim over the planet, since the only ones who can claim it (unofficially as planets are their own beings that can't be owned) are the inhabitants and not visitors or outside helpers. This also falls within the Federation terms of who can 'own,' a planet.


Happy wrote:
Seeker_Ivy wrote:

[...] if you read it correctly; those answers by Dante are in direct opposition to what Taygetans/Swaruunians shared, as they said the opposite i.e Dante's responses would be the lies NOT the Tays/Swaruus (hope this clarifies it for you). And Vanessa gave the correct link where it says Karistus claim Earth.


Ah... it's the opposite as I took it then. Thank you, Seeker_Ivy. smile Just needed to clear that up. Funny how language may confuse at times...


Vanessa wrote:

https://swaruu.org/en/transcripts/karis … -of-temmer

Spanish Anéeka: Karistus claim the Earth because it used to be theirs, before the arrival of the Lyrians, I am talking about 200 000 years ago. Another point is that Karistus see the Lyrians as them, that is to say that the Karistus, according to their history, legends, and beliefs, are the origin of the Lyrian race, therefore they see invasive what the Federation does being so permissive with what happens on Earth. That is why the Karistus do not agree with the Federation


Thank you, Vanessa, that's the one I looked for. smile

1) In that context, I would probably claim it too if I was in their shoes.
2) A "claim" seems to be legit (that's a judicial term) if one is to explain why one is engaged.
3) A similar "claim" is made by the Taygetans, while stating that humans are fundamentally of a Lyran composition. We are therefore clearly of an emotional leaning, in need of guidance by a race who inherently knows the evolutionary challenges this brings.

Given the above, I'd also say that the Karistus claim Earth as theirs. This while knowing DS or others in that camp "claim" the opposite. In the context, it can be seen merely as an expression or explanation of interest.

... not ownership... smile

#11 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 00:53:26

hm from how the chat read on what Taygetans and Swaruunians said; they were speaking for the whole Karistus race and not specific individuals. Yazhi saying 'They (plural) appear with wings because they like to be seen as angels,' clumps them all together, so direct this critique of word choice to Yazhi not me, (as I went by her assessment).


Robert369 wrote:
Seeker_Ivy wrote:

there is no middle ground for this discrepancy

The middle ground is that one cannot speak for a whole race but only for individuals, and those may have different opinions, viewpoints or insights. That is, I am sure that you get different answers from a "slave", "master" or "king" (to use medieval terms as suggested in this forum to be appropriate for them).

In fact, looking at certain known structures, it is even possible that they also have some sort of "belief system" that might not always reflect the truth of their own society's values (on Earth we know this is done via various mind-control and other belief/control systems).

This means that this might not be a lie but the perception (or commanded mission message) of the individual Karistus that was spoken to.

#12 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 00:47:33

Wait...are you saying I called the Taygetans/Swarunians liars?? Because if that's your assessment then its very false, 9/10 times I default to them for answers and I've rarely found they lied. I was talking about the link Vanessa shared, where it says the Karistus say they don't want to own the Earth and that they don't want to be seen at all, much less as angels. Which as I've responded to her, if you read it correctly; those answers by Dante are in direct opposition to what Taygetans/Swaruunians shared, as they said the opposite i.e Dante's responses would be the lies NOT the Tays/Swaruus (hope this clarifies it for you). And Vanessa gave the correct link where it says Karistus claim Earth.

Happy wrote:
Seeker_Ivy wrote:

Adding to that, it was the Taygetans and Swaruunians which told us Karistus appear as angels because they want to be seen as so and that they claimed the planet (and the Sol13 system) as belonging to them; so to go against this is to call them liars since there is no middle ground for this discrepancy, (either they want to be seen as angels or they don't, either they claim the planet/its system is theirs or they don't, no in between answer is possible).


Now that would be a scoop, wouldn't it, Seeker_Ivy - taking the Taygetans or Swaruunians in a direct lie...? Now, I have tried to find the exact quote where it is said that the Karistus own Earth, or that the Earth belongs to them, but I can't seem to find it. However, I vaguely remember a somewhat similar statement. Could you please direct me to it?

#13 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-12 00:02:20

Interesting answers and expected, or did you think someone who wants to be seen as a deity would openly admit it? Of course not, it's by their repeated actions that we see the truth of what they want, not always by what they say. Adding to that, it was the Taygetans and Swaruunians which told us Karistus appear as angels because they want to be seen as so and that they claimed the planet (and the Sol13 system) as belonging to them; so to go against this is to call them liars since there is no middle ground for this discrepancy, (either they want to be seen as angels or they don't, either they claim the planet/its system is theirs or they don't, no in between answer is possible). As for the rest of the answers, there are more contradictions; as the Karistus are at odds with the Federation, so it's curious that Dante didn't care to address this point. But anyway, thanks for your effort in trying to get answers to these questions.


Vanessa wrote:

Seeing the convo above I dropped an email to Loka, the site owner devoted to Dantes teachings. And I had the following exchange:

1. do Karistus want to be seen as angels?
Answer:
No. Karistus prefer not to be seen at all.
They ARE beings who are identified as Angels. They ARE the ones known as the Grigori, the Watchers.
Keep in mind that they are NOT fallen. That is a mistranslation.
And not all Angels have wings. There are many types of Karistus

2. And when they show up, do they manifest as angels?
Answer:
When they show up, this can vary ... where? how?
In the skies in their craft ... sometimes they are accidentally observed flying alone, with wings.
On earth, they often appear as normal humans. Incarnates. Hybrids. This is shown in the bible too, in Hebrews 13:2
Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.

3. Do they want to be worshipped?
Answer:
They do not want to be worshipped.

4. Do they claim ownership of our planet?
Answer:
They don't OWN this planet, nor do they want to. They STEWARD this planet because they have been asked by the Goddess to protect her creations from those races who would exploit them or destroy them. They have been doing this for 17,000 years. They 'course correct' the damage done by the Vlash. The Karistus are here as PEACE KEEPERS. Not as overlords

5. What is their relation to the Federation?
Answer:
I have never heard him even mention it. It is irrelevant to who we remember ourselves to be, and what we are here to do ON THIS PLANET AT THIS TIME.

6. What is the purpose of his videos?
Answer:
What Dante has offered over 14 years of video revelations can be considered a modern version of ancient mystery schools. His information is not laid out like a course for intellectual study. His intention is to find his people, not to 'disclose' anything to the masses.

This is why so many people find his videos frustrating and annoying to watch. 'It makes no sense!' is a phrase we often hear.

His people, the Karistus hybrids, are being activated by these videos ... gently, over time. Yes. I am one. In my decades of personal and spiritual development, I have found it to be a spiritual process, par excellence. It is not a shallow experience but a life altering one. We learn ... we KNOW ... who we are, where we belong ... without any doubt whatsoever.

However, don't make the mistake of thinking we are being brainwashed. On the contrary, critical thinking is one of Dante's biggest sticks he hits us with. He has no tolerance for stupidity.

#14 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-11 23:11:09

I never said it was terrible that they want to be seen as angels, but it goes to question just how evolved they are if they want to participate and perpetuate a term that denotes separation of hierarchy between beings i.e angels vs. humans. Taygetans never describe themselves as being superior, but often say they are just more people who have learned more than the people on Earth. And that is miles apart from labeling themselves as angels or deities, yet the Karistus want and enjoy being seen as superior, which is where the question of their advancement comes into play; as there is no need to make this claim for truly advanced beings, they know their level of awareness without lofty labels.


crystallinemister wrote:
Seeker_Ivy wrote:

They WANT to be seen as angels and we know this from Yazhi, in the chat about Karistus, here is an excerpt:

Yazhi: "Karistus are mostly 6D people. As I have said before, whatever is in a higher density will have its mirrors and equivalents in all lower densities. They appear with wings because they like to be seen as angels, the concept of angel on Earth partially comes from them."

Transcript Link: https://www.swaruu.org/transcripts/kari … -of-temmer


Greta wrote:

I would discern between "they want to be seen as angels" and "they play the role of angels".
Also, how can we know how they want to be seen?
Does anyone talk to them here?

Is it terrible that they want to be seen as angels? They offer great comfort and inspiration to all kinds of people, all over the world. They don't harm anyone in doing so. I've heard their singing before. It's the most beautiful sound I've ever heard.

#15 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-11 15:58:46

They WANT to be seen as angels and we know this from Yazhi, in the chat about Karistus, here is an excerpt:

Yazhi: "Karistus are mostly 6D people. As I have said before, whatever is in a higher density will have its mirrors and equivalents in all lower densities. They appear with wings because they like to be seen as angels, the concept of angel on Earth partially comes from them."

Transcript Link: https://www.swaruu.org/transcripts/kari … -of-temmer


Greta wrote:
Seeker_Ivy wrote:

There is no way to justify the Karistus' desire to be seen as angels to being 'advanced,' when they can settle for being teachers without the worshiping aspect, (something the Taygetans understand).

I would discern between "they want to be seen as angels" and "they play the role of angels".
Also, how can we know how they want to be seen?
Does anyone talk to them here?

#16 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-11 11:07:28

Well articulated, and goes along with what I've been saying that divides the Karistus from the Taygetans; with the latter admitting they want to be seen as angels (a title that creates division of superiority between beings) while the latter don't want to be seen as anything other than teachers and friends. There is no way to justify the Karistus' desire to be seen as angels to being 'advanced,' when they can settle for being teachers without the worshiping aspect, (something the Taygetans understand). But if that's what they want to experience then ok, though its limited and creates limitation for humanity. And let's not even add their claim that this planet/star system belongs to them, that's another can of worms that even the Taygetans disagree with, (since it is those that live on a planet who 'own' it).


Robert369 wrote:
Warrior Bishop wrote:

I think it is not bad do be worshipped or to worship someone.

Sorry, but I have to disagree that this is "not bad" (except if wanting to get worshiped, or to live as a follower-type), because creating worshipers creates passivated power-delegating beings who will look up to someone else instead of working on their own self-empowerment. In fact, I call this destructive for the personal development of the worshiping people.

This doesn't mean that someone "more advanced" shouldn't be able to assist, but this should be done in an empowering and not a self-glorifying way that leads into dependencies, as otherwise this is just yet another playout of an ego-based existence - which truly is the opposite of "being advanced".

Thus, instead of worshiping it should suffice for the assisted people to be grateful and understand that the "helper" is a teacher and not caretaker, while in return should make the assisting "advanced being" happy to see them using the assistance to empower themselves and grow into independence.

Which gets us back to the old saying:

  • Give a man a fish, and he'll be fed for a day - and by that dependent (or worshiping).

  • Teach a man to fish, and he'll be fed for life - and by that independent (and grateful).

In other words: Intentionally getting people into dependencies and even getting joy from that in my view is one of the lowest attitudes one can have, and directly reflects typical Cabal or even Regressive behavior.

And this is exactly where the Taygetans come into play as good example on how to help in the right way: They teach and try to empower Humanity without the desire for worship and dependency on them.

#17 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-10 10:21:05

Ugh stop saying Jesus is a Karistus, even the name Jesus isn't how their names go; Azaz-EL, Gabri-EL, Micha-EL is Karistus male name pattern. What is possible is that there was a Karistus man who was enlightened enough to have the DK title but that was not his actual name, though it fits the Cabal agenda to use Krystil as a name to validate their fake Jesus character as having roots in something real, (which even for Karistus star seeds it seem to still oddly work).

Humans were also NOT created by any race, it's just a form that any race can use to have common ground with one another on the planet; and the idea that humans need gods is belittling people to where they aren't recognized as also being Source. On what parts of the Taygetan information do you agree with? (since you seem to disagree with much).


Warrior Bishop wrote:

@Brahman The old gods cannot intervene, because there is no frequency match. The frequency now is the artificial matrix run by cabal and GF, behind them the Goddess of the Void.  It is exactly the opposite agenda to Karistus old gods and angels. 

The situation is complex because of their strong individuality there are gods or karistus beings who follow their own agenda or who are corrupted in the one way or another. Don't lump everyone together.

To think humankind has to free themselves and evolve into a society like Taygeta is only a belief system. It is a concept I do not share.

I prefer the old order of Karistus, on Saturn it was the same.  Humans are created for different purposes. I wanted to use the human incarnation to strengthen myself.  That is my personal view.

Ra and Law of one is pure AI - Agenda. Of course Jesus is not GF, Jesus is fully Karistus and opposed to cabal and GF agenda. But they simulate Jesus, play Jesus, give false messages and so on.

Azazel is not Jesus, it is a different being.

It is difficult to give information about Karistus, because it is not a  hive mind or a synchronized society. There are many very different groups and individuals with different opinions and concepts and agendas.

#18 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-10 10:03:05

Swaruu did but that's not the same as agreeing with everything he shared. Plus there is a lot of material which the Swaruunians expanded on since the chats with Swaruu 9, (its why they tell us to keep up with the updates). Dante has said things in direct opposition to what Taygetans shared, look up his info on the Ark of Michael, its pure trash.

I'll also tell you here what he says is inside, (but reference what the Taygetans already shared on the arks);

He says Michael's ark contains; the cross of the crucification of Jesus, the spear of destiny that perched his side, the robe he had on, the crown of thorns and Krystil's pure essence (whatever that means). BUT the Taygetans said those arks contained the genetic codes of the life on Earth prior to the Tiamat flood, and that Karistus were the other race who helped with the project of collecting the genetic information. Now if Dante was really a Karistus how come he has zero clue about the truth (and is instead peddling the Cabal lie about Jesus), that his own race helped in compiling what is inside those arks? Maybe because he's a liar about being a Karistus, even lack of memory isn't a good excuse.


Brahman wrote:
Seeker_Ivy wrote:

Haha this is funny, but you seem to think it's serious; Putin is a confirmed puppet of the Cabal by the Taygetans and Swaruunians. Since the Taygetans work closely with the Karistus, they wouldn't call out Putin as working for the Cabal if he was really one of the 4 Karistus brothers. And Dante Santori isn't a Karistus, he shared so many blatant lies about history (things the Taygetans gave the truth on) that if he was a Karistus how odd he doesn't know the same information since the two races know each other so well. Then again, whatever public information there is on Karistus seems to be very distorted (by their Vlash enemies) and so far none from their side have come out sharing the truth.

Thanks for the link though, interesting read even if it lacks truth, (as in, it reads exactly as if Santori wrote it himself).

I didn't say I was taking it seriously, I just found this information. Swaruu recommended Dante Santori channel as a reliable source of information on Karistus.

#19 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-10 09:40:30

Haha this is funny, but you seem to think it's serious; Putin is a confirmed puppet of the Cabal by the Taygetans and Swaruunians. Since the Taygetans work closely with the Karistus, they wouldn't call out Putin as working for the Cabal if he was really one of the 4 Karistus brothers. And Dante Santori isn't a Karistus, he shared so many blatant lies about history (things the Taygetans gave the truth on) that if he was a Karistus how odd he doesn't know the same information since the two races know each other so well. Then again, whatever public information there is on Karistus seems to be very distorted (by their Vlash enemies) and so far none from their side have come out sharing the truth.

Thanks for the link though, interesting read even if it lacks truth, (as in, it reads exactly as if Santori wrote it himself).

#20 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-10 09:05:27

No, Azazel was not the name of the Karistus with the DK title that was being referred to as Krystil, (they are two different Karistus men). Because even Azazel was said to follow this Krystil individual, meaning it wasn't himself he was following but another.

Greta wrote:

We know the name = Azazel
Yes it is all very confusing.
But just in case we listen to other disclosures.

Seeker_Ivy wrote:

Check out my recent post on the Karistus, I share a perspective on the relation between Jesus and Karistus.

Yes its a mess, but there was a Karistus man with the DK title (his real name unknown so far) but the Krystil title is what the Cabal took to call their fictitious Jesus character; this leading to mass confusion now, as people think Jesus character was that Karistus male, when that's not so. We never learned the name of that DK Karistus, but it's clever of the Cabal to name their character Krystil since people don't know that is a title, not a name, for an 'ascended,' being.

So when stellar races say there was a Jesus, they mean there was a Karistus being with the DK title (and yes, Karistus aren't G.F) that existed; but due to names and equivalent association it's confusing to translate, (in Earth terms).


Greta wrote:

Interesting Ra did not mention Jesus in relation to Karistus. Swaruu says Karistus are not part of Federation means Ra completely disconnects them from Jesus. But Dante speaks of Jesus as of Karistus. Something is really very wrong with Dante.

#21 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-10 08:48:07

Check out my recent post on the Karistus, I share a perspective on the relation between Jesus and Karistus.

Yes its a mess, but there was a Karistus man with the DK title (his real name unknown so far) but the Krystil title is what the Cabal took to call their fictitious Jesus character; this leading to mass confusion now, as people think Jesus character was that Karistus male, when that's not so. We never learned the name of that DK Karistus, but it's clever of the Cabal to name their character Krystil since people don't know that is a title, not a name, for an 'ascended,' being.

So when stellar races say there was a Jesus, they mean there was a Karistus being with the DK title (and yes, Karistus aren't G.F) that existed; but due to names and equivalent association it's confusing to translate, (in Earth terms).


Greta wrote:
Brahman wrote:

By the way Ra says Jesus will not return but if he plans to it will be through the federation and channeling.

Interesting Ra did not mention Jesus in relation to Karistus. Swaruu says Karistus are not part of Federation means Ra completely disconnects them from Jesus. But Dante speaks of Jesus as of Karistus. Something is really very wrong with Dante.

#22 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-10 06:49:27

Interesting you say this; something that actually goes against the Taygetan mentality and personality, there isn't one Taygetan that we've been introduced to that wants to be seen as a deity/god or goddess (not even as angels). Especially since having that image in the eyes of humans or any other being lowers the self power of those beings, as we are all Source just playing different roles, so no one point of Source is higher or better than another (to think so is to still be within duality). As I've thought, the Karistus seem to have dug humanity's grave and the all the races against humans had to do was to manipulate them enough to fall into it, then again, we were told Karistus are the white squares on the Cabal's cheese board. But from my perspective; that is far from helping humans if they are to be moved from ruler to the next and takes away their path of evolution into their own guides, basically always keeping them under someone. So in that sense, just because your master doesn't abuse you doesn't make it right to be under someone and not free. And this is the difference of how Taygetans approach Earth and their help vs. the Karistus.

Warrior Bishop wrote:

Karistus are beings with individuality, with free will. Therefore they have very different personalities. Many of them are great deities and they want to be seen as deitys and they want to be worshipped. Because this is their old order. This old order works very well and they don't want to relinquish this order.   They protect it.  The Karistus are hierarchical, patriarchal and aristocratic monarchists.   

The cabal and the GF are quite the opposite to the Karistus.

#23 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-10 03:14:42

oh WOW! Are you serious about the rituals where children are eaten? If this is true, it goes to confirm he can't possibility be a Karistus but would support him being a Cabal puppet meant to smear the Karistus. ha selling tickets to Jupiter? what a nut for a sure, guess he's not aware of the Van Allen Belts though the Karistus know of them.


Greta wrote:
Happy wrote:

I cannot and will not say if what he does is right or wrong (as long as he's not directly harming anyone, that's wrong). He may also be in for some hard-earned lessons, who can say?

He sells tickets to Jupiter but does not deliver the servise. This is hurting people. Not to mention he partakes in rituals where children are burnt and eaten (barbecued he said). Very dark person.

#24 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-10 02:57:26

ah the good old 'the path to hell is paved with good intentions.' Doesn't discount that what Santori is doing is basically smearing the Karistus, but you're implying the don't care.


Happy wrote:

Amnesia is imposed when incarnating here, and trauma is often induced regardless of soul origin. So it seems perfectly possible that anyone can act apparently negatively as a public person, while being supported on a soul-level by a positive race of his/her "origin."

#25 Re: English Forum » Question on Karistus » 2022-03-10 02:44:16

I too suspected he isn't a Karistus/step down or a Karistus starseed/incarnate. His information is basically making that race seem rather negative, liars or with agendas against humans. But I still want Gosia to give more information on the relationship/history between Taygetans and Karistus, since in my view they are too different in mentality to be close.

Greta wrote:

I see a big difference between "I am Karistus" = an ET and "I am a Karistus incarnate" = a human
He is not a Karistus, he is a cabal distraction who abuses Karistus account imo

Seeker_Ivy wrote:

Right, there is no contact with them. I was referring throughout history, or even through Dante Santori (who claims to be Azazel/Karistus). Instead he does the opposite and says Jesus was real and even his stuff is in the Ark of Gabriel; which Taygetans said is the ark of Isis and is a genetic container of Earth's life pre-flood and in their museum on the Toleka. How come a Karistus doesn't know this about the arks or about Jesus? When Taygetans said Karistus was the other race that helped in putting those arks together, so this is a big discrepancy. But there are a lot of others too, hence why I'm so confused on the Karistus in regards to the Taygetans.


Greta wrote:

But we do not have contact with any Karistus right.
So how can they clerify anything?

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