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#1 2022-06-01 02:39:20

Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

Hi,

I assume you are all aware of what is going on. Those 2 girls want to censor this Disclosure. They are acting as dictators.

I was wondering if we have any attorneys here, who follow Cosmic Agency and/or Despejando Enigmas who can help our friends Gosia and Robert (in case it is necessary in the future)?

It might not be necessary because the girls' charge is beyond ridiculous. They have no concrete proof of anything. They can't prove this is a cult. This makes no sense since the information presented makes us question everything and they are against cults themselves! Just look at the meaning of "cult" in the dictionary!

For me, it is quite clear who wants to control the flux of information here and who wants to liberate minds. Robert and Gosia speak ill of no one. The only thing they end up being obligated to do is protect themselves against all this hateful attacks! But of course! If someone attacks you, you HAVE to do something about it. You can't just sit down and wait them slap you on the face again.

If the girls were fair, they would just let things be. But they want to censor and delete their work. Instead of admitting their mistakes and using emotional maturity to learn from this situation and change themselves, admit they ended up not knowing how to handle their relationship, they took the easiest path: blame others, everyone, but themselves. Let the people have access to all information and let THEM decide, let the people use their discernment. Why do they have to censor them?

This is why I say, it is quite clear who wants to CONTROL the flux of information here and who wants to LIBERATE minds.

The Taygetean and Swaruunian Disclosure is WE THE PEOPLE. They mess with Robert, Gosia, the Taygeteans and Swaruunians, they mess with us! Their info has dramatically change the lives of everyone here for the positive!

To press false charges is serious and this will all end up falling on them. But it is always ALWAYS good to have a plan B. This is why I am putting this here.

If we have any attorneys here or if any of you know good, awakened, reliable attorneys, who resonate with their info, please, email Gosia and Robert about it. I am sure this will be of great help and they will be extremely happy with your support.

Hugs everyone,
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#2 2022-06-01 03:14:32

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Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

Your suggestion surely is well-intended, but the approach has a major flaw:

Those who run the smear campaign against Gosia and our Taygetan friends are the same ones who control the governments, courts, police, industries, and more, while all "attorneys" and other judical servants have sworn an oath to never go against the oppression systems or they risk losing their license.

Obviously, trying to fight the enemy with its own oppression tools against the population is a waste of time because the courts already don't follow the constitutions and laws but do as they please - or rather, as commanded by their bribing masters.

At the same time, we need to understand that by playing by their rules we accept them, after which it is impossible to win anything within the cabal-controlledenvironment. Thus, the only way to disempower the Cabals is to not play by their rules and ignore them, meaning that simply waking people to stop participating in the Cabal systems will win the war. Because the Cabals are just a small group of wannabes who are nothing if not for all the helpers that believe their system of lies.

All this means that Gosia's approach to create a proper video with information that exposes the laughable attempts of the PK team and their puppet masters is the right means to disempower them.


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#3 2022-06-01 03:30:54

Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

I believe what you say makes no sense.

They are using the system to attack them. Therefore we need to use the tools of this very "system".

There are tens of thousands of attorneys and doctors who have fought and are still fighting against the pandemic and the needles for instance. They did all sorts of things, going against the law to protect the people.

What an attorney can help with is - for instance - if it is decide by a judge, or jury, court, whoever, that their YouTube channels must be deleted, what do you think will happen? I am SURE they won't end up in jail or any nonsense like that. But still, YouTube can receive mandates by the law to delete their YouTube channels. Because the system is already against them anyway.

Therefore: WE NEED TO USE THE TOOLS OF THIS MATRIX TO FIGHT THE MATRIX SOMETIMES. And specially cases like that.

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#4 2022-06-01 03:34:10

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And Robert: You're the very reason why I never use places like this Forum nor Telegram. I had to leave all these places because you're always ALWAYS there. Giving your opinion on everything, all the time, 24/7. And honestly, a lot of people are already extremely tired of that.

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#5 2022-06-01 05:06:38

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Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

The proposition that a person should rely on others to do their fighting for them, creates a dependency that one cannot do without and in the matter of legal representation (if agreed upon) the matters to be decided upon by that someone else, also becomes binding on the parties originally mentioned authorizing the legal action.

However if some good Samaritan would like to offer their own legal services (and possibly their careers) as their own personal sacrifice without binding any other party other than themselves, then of course they have my full support to proceed to bind themselves to an outcome that they cannot control.

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#6 2022-06-01 06:14:22

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Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

Former Paralegal here (disclaimer-this is not intended for legal advice because I am legally not allowed to do so)

I’m honestly not sure where the legal fight would be? Libel/slander that one side says ET contact is false and the other side says it’s not? I know police were mentioned, I can’t help but want to be a fly on the wall to hear that conversation and see the police officers face.

But on the legal realm…however well intended a person is for going into law the system is corrupt. Horribly. Just the content issue of what’s being discussed could cause more harm than good. The legal realm can have a tendency to backfire on people. What seems logical and simple in the minds of most (or even the few if they are truly awake) is NOT logical and simple in the legal field…

Only way I’d ever approach the law arena is if I was forced there and had no other choice. I would not enter volunteerly…

Just my experience, nothing more…

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#7 2022-06-01 06:40:36

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Looking For Shahirhuh wrote:

And Robert: You're the very reason why I never use places like this Forum nor Telegram. I had to leave all these places because you're always ALWAYS there. Giving your opinion on everything, all the time, 24/7. And honestly, a lot of people are already extremely tired of that.

I have to say that I laughed just a bit. Robert, I'm not telling you what to do, but I think people would appreciate it if you chilled out a bit. While I resonate with quite a few of your posts and views on things, your opinions aren't the definitive answers to all of life's dilemmas, and you often come off as arrogant and condescending towards people. I'm not perfect either, and if this was just my opinion, I'd probably try to keep it to myself, but the handful of people with whom I have private correspondences all feel the same way.

Christianne, I am sorry that I don't know any lawyers. I've gone through my own personal doubts and discrepancies with Taygetan policies, but I can say at this point that based on my objective examination, the PK girls are likely full of shit and the Taygetan contact still resonates to me as legit, maybe more so than ever. If you still check the same email from time to time, I've just now sent you an update on some significant events in my life and possible theories about who I am. It's kind of a lot. No rush, get back to me whenever you have a chance.

CA team and Toleka crew, do not be intimidated by assholes exploiting bureaucratic bullshit, whether it be idiots exploiting the Earth "legal" systems, or regressive minded scumbags exploiting errant federation policy. Stay strong, and risk it all to uphold your ideals. Who else can we be in this world but ourselves?

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#8 2022-06-01 09:07:10

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YT is runned by AI algorithms. There is nobody to turn to, it is beyond the legal system. It is currently dictatorship platform that is censoring everything(that can detect) that is going against the cabal narratives.

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#9 2022-06-01 09:15:53

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I don't trust the legal system myself and it may not end up being a viable option, but I agree with Christianne's desire to at least examine that potential course of action and look into it, given the circumstances that the PK girls are trying to use the system to shut up their opposition.

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#10 2022-06-01 09:24:12

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Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

Hi Cristianne

Are you the Cristianne from Messages to Humanity? If so, I love your videos. You have a very special talent and I understand why Sophia likes your videos too.

Ok, I confess that I was a lawyer.

But I swear I’m on medication now and am fully recovered. :-)

WARNING: Long post ahead. Pls SKIP if you find it boring.

There are two battlegrounds here:
1) Court of Public Opinion;
2) Legal Court (highly unlikely)

The first one is easy.

Gosia’s video will set out everything needed to expose the PK girls’ scheme.

Truth will always defend itself, as Tina said. So once Gosia has set everything out, we’ll leave it to people to decide.

The second one is complicated and this is why:

In any legal action or police complaint, you must:

(1)identify the defendant; and
(2)determine whether the country (Court or Police) where your complaint is filed has jurisdiction over the defendant.

Who is the defendant in the (supposed) police complaint filed by PK?

Is it someone on the Toleka?

It can’t be because (i)it would destroy their claim that the contact is fake; and (ii)uh, good luck exercising jurisdiction over an ET spaceship that can literally eat a nuke for breakfast.

(This PK girl nonsense is so ridiculous I almost can’t believe I’m typing this.)

Is it the Pornstars that are assuming the identities of ETs? Where are the Pornstars located?

This is possible, but PK would have to identify the Pornstars. The police will investigate the Pornstars (likely with great professional interest and single-minded dedication, of course). Many police hours will be spent watching Porn videos... (wait, maybe this happens normally anyways)

This is of course assuming the Pornstars are within the jurisdiction of where the Police complaint is filed.

The Pornstars will be pissed because they’re only trying to make a living on Only Fans. Pissed Pornstars are not to be trifled with. Good luck to PK girls.

I think you see where I’m going with this.

The only serious legal issue here is with regard to Robert and Gosia’s reputation (and the Social Media channels).

The issue here is whether Robert and Gosia have been defamed by PK. Without boring you further, there may be an argument here in their favour.

The accusations that the contact is fake harms Robert and Gosia’s reputation and the branding of their Media channels.

But I think Robert and Gosia want to focus on their channels and not pursue these legal options (Truth defends itself).

So, Cristianne, I think you are doing a great job.

I love your energy and remember, it was YOU that got us all cheering for the Toleka crew.

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#11 2022-06-01 09:36:08

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Personally, I would not be concerned, Kim Goguen has access to the Alpha computer system, which has the ability to see the past and future. Also biological thought and which is directly connected to Source and the Universal Council. What lies ahead cannot be altered by anyone or any event. We are now at a stage where anyone who continuous to make 'poor decisions' and act against humanity and other creations is dealt with forthwith and take a one-way ticket to Source or who knows where, but from this planet. The deep state no longer exists and is of no consequence. The only thing that is holding the Restoration back is our awakening. Imagine if we woke up tomorrow and their was no deep state, no governments et all - how would we react? What would we do? Hence the awakening process is well under way in a very subtle manner. We need to prepare and form community forums to discuss what we want within our immediate community, what our needs are etc Attempts are being made already to re-educate humanity on the natural powers and abilities we possess and always did posses - how to restore these incredible abilities. If you go the swaruu.org web page, you will find a huge number of educational videos on these subjects. All in all nothing can stop what is coming, nothing at all - rest assured.

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#12 2022-06-01 09:46:27

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This whole thing is ridiculous, sorry if I hurt someone's feelings. PK girl(s) have a grudge and going on revenge mode. She let something personal to cloud own vision, motivation, integrity and judgement. It is a problem of her own that she have to solve.
No need of defending the contact. The Truth do not need defense, it speaks loud and clear by itself.

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#13 2022-06-01 09:56:35

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Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

mitkobs wrote:

PK girl(s) have a grudge and going on revenge mode. She let something personal to cloud own vision, motivation, integrity and judgement. It is a problem of her own that she have to solve.

Looking at Gosia's recent comment, the situation is way different and the "revenge mode" was merely a fake-reason to start all this: She said that the two girls were infiltrators from the beginning, so what requires to get solved goes way beyond personal issues but into intentionally working for the Cabals to harm the Taygetan efforts here.

Looking forward to all the revelations (aka dirty details that she held back for former reasons of decency which now get dropped) that Gosia promised for her upcoming video, so the situation finally gets cleared for once and all.


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#14 2022-06-01 10:20:56

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Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

Looking For Shahirhuh wrote:

Hi,

I assume you are all aware of what is going on. Those 2 girls want to censor this Disclosure. They are acting as dictators.

Honestly, not a clue what the fuss is all about. I thought this 180° turn of those 2 girls was done with.
That other thread with the tube-video of latest Yahzi contactee (wich was officially declined to perue further) wasn't very clear about it either, other then mentioning being "attacked". So nope, dunno what's going on.
Personally i never was very impressed with PK tube channel, so i never visited again after watching 3-4 episodes or so.
And so i set it aside. None of my business hanging around there.

Does this mean you guys are still hawking around in their channel ? Why would you waste your focus there, i wonder ...
This sounds like yet another drama version , similar to that other women-channeler (Danaan) story.

Have we learned nothing from that ordeal ?
If nothing official is set in motion, i don't see a reason to engage in this seemingly bait-hook-sinker tantrum attempt.
So i'm with Robert on the course of action, wich is non-action.
Lao Tse has brought this wisdom to the collective focus, for those who wish to utilise it.

Funny thing, i had seen a short channeling about the energy of June on the 30th of may and one of the points was exactly that, the increase of throwing around of accusations, pointing fingers and guilt traps.
I mean what else is new, lol. Such guilt deformaties are energetic blockages that will clog your system, mainly located on your left Vishuddi (5th chakra) and can spread through freezing the influx. Can produce nasty results.

So ... somebody enlighten me with some nuance here bout the story ? Are we crying wolf here ? Hope we all know that childs' story haha
Gosia mentioned she will adress it in coming video's, i can wait, but it would be nice to get a skoop. smile

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#15 2022-06-01 10:27:39

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Not my busyness to make assumptions for something that I am not sure of it. It could be a simple grudge, it could be something more serious and dangerous. Who knows and who cares. Personal things we have to set aside and concentrate on the given information, understand it and apply it in our lives. No drama. PK girl may regret, may not regret, she is responsible for her actions and decisions and the consequences that may fallow.

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#16 2022-06-01 10:38:09

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I liked the PK channel to begin with, and I had some concerns when they first leveled the accusations from the standpoint of being hurt by broken promises from the Taygetans. It played well on my own distortions by exploiting my personal ideals in the way of wanting more to be done to help Earth and the starseeds. I looked into the matter logically and intuitively and observed many inconsistencies with the PK accusations. Being infiltrators from the very beginning would make sense, in order to later play the card of being aggrieved/disgruntled ex-contactees. Can I prove 100% that the Taygetan contact is legit and that the PK girls are full of shit? No, but I believe it likely at this point after applying what logic and intuition faculties I have available. I don't know. The whole thing is a mess.

I await Gosia's video on the matter so that I can hear that side of the story in full. I believe that needs to come out, but after that, I am in agreement that the best and strongest course of action would probably be to ignore the opposing force here and carry on with business as usual.

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#17 2022-06-01 10:44:29

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Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

Scott Summers wrote:

Hi Cristianne

Are you the Cristianne from Messages to Humanity? If so, I love your videos. You have a very special talent and I understand why Sophia likes your videos too.

Ok, I confess that I was a lawyer.

But I swear I’m on medication now and am fully recovered. :-)

WARNING: Long post ahead. Pls SKIP if you find it boring.

There are two battlegrounds here:
1) Court of Public Opinion;
2) Legal Court (highly unlikely)

The first one is easy.

Gosia’s video will set out everything needed to expose the PK girls’ scheme.

Truth will always defend itself, as Tina said. So once Gosia has set everything out, we’ll leave it to people to decide.

The second one is complicated and this is why:

In any legal action or police complaint, you must:

(1)identify the defendant; and
(2)determine whether the country (Court or Police) where your complaint is filed has jurisdiction over the defendant.

Who is the defendant in the (supposed) police complaint filed by PK?

Is it someone on the Toleka?

It can’t be because (i)it would destroy their claim that the contact is fake; and (ii)uh, good luck exercising jurisdiction over an ET spaceship that can literally eat a nuke for breakfast.

(This PK girl nonsense is so ridiculous I almost can’t believe I’m typing this.)

Is it the Pornstars that are assuming the identities of ETs? Where are the Pornstars located?

This is possible, but PK would have to identify the Pornstars. The police will investigate the Pornstars (likely with great professional interest and single-minded dedication, of course). Many police hours will be spent watching Porn videos... (wait, maybe this happens normally anyways)

This is of course assuming the Pornstars are within the jurisdiction of where the Police complaint is filed.

The Pornstars will be pissed because they’re only trying to make a living on Only Fans. Pissed Pornstars are not to be trifled with. Good luck to PK girls.

I think you see where I’m going with this.

The only serious legal issue here is with regard to Robert and Gosia’s reputation (and the Social Media channels).

The issue here is whether Robert and Gosia have been defamed by PK. Without boring you further, there may be an argument here in their favour.

The accusations that the contact is fake harms Robert and Gosia’s reputation and the branding of their Media channels.

But I think Robert and Gosia want to focus on their channels and not pursue these legal options (Truth defends itself).

So, Cristianne, I think you are doing a great job.

I love your energy and remember, it was YOU that got us all cheering for the Toleka crew.


Truly the best legal analysis I’ve ever read…Pissed Pornstars XD

Would a court hear a case on defamation in regards to this topic? I see a can of worms with that and the potential for the other side to try to make a mockery of it. And the very least, potential attention on it from others will do that. I sense a bigger mess if they tried that.

One area I am interested in is the potential for copyright issues. The girls keeping that real information on their pages is a head scratcher…I know Gosia and Robert want that info free to the public because it came from the Team. I’m less familiar with how deep copyright laws can go. But I question EVERYTHING, so any sense of some thing isn’t right here bothers me…

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#18 2022-06-01 12:26:17

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Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

DebraRenee wrote:

Truly the best legal analysis I’ve ever read…Pissed Pornstars XD

Would a court hear a case on defamation in regards to this topic? I see a can of worms with that and the potential for the other side to try to make a mockery of it. And the very least, potential attention on it from others will do that. I sense a bigger mess if they tried that.

One area I am interested in is the potential for copyright issues. The girls keeping that real information on their pages is a head scratcher…I know Gosia and Robert want that info free to the public because it came from the Team. I’m less familiar with how deep copyright laws can go. But I question EVERYTHING, so any sense of some thing isn’t right here bothers me…

Yes, thank you Debra.

I tend to do my best analysis when Pornstars are involved... (I AM KIDDING)

Basically in defamation suits, the key elements are to prove that (1)you have been defamed; and (2)you suffered damage from it.

It’s tricky to prove (1) because how do you legally prove the existence of the Taygetans.

I’m not saying it’s impossible because there are 4 years worth of very substantive, highly technical, information. Even the ‘hidden forces’ trying to discredit it have to resort to accusing it of being AI.

[Edit: Ah! They have NORAD identification. Which is helpful if not disavowed by NORAD]

For (2), the immediate thing that comes to mind is loss of subscribers. CA was gaining new subscribers from the GAIA connection. Has the flow of subscribers been affected?

For Copyright, it’s much clearer.

The copyright to the videos belongs to the persons who created the videos. That is, the PK girls.

As for the information itself, you have to establish who owns it. And that goes back to proving the Taygetans exist.

If you can’t legally prove Taygetans exist, they can’t assert ownership over the information.

I want to be clear that WE KNOW THEY EXIST.

We are up against a system that, over hundreds of years, has tried to SCRUB THEM OUT OF EARTH’S HISTORY.

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#19 2022-06-01 12:52:54

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Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

So if PK girls say the Taygetans are fake, then how do they explain the NORAD identification given to Taygetans?

Oops... hehehehe

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#20 2022-06-01 13:34:33

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Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

Scott Summers wrote:

It’s tricky to prove (1) because how do you legally prove the existence of the Taygetans.


That right there is the key…proof. In order to have any standing on anything in the legal realm it falls on proof they are real. Which from any of us who can sense it, the proof is there on different levels. Probably a lot is shielded even from Gosia and Robert. They are safe providing the info they provide only because there’s that shadow of doubt. The level of danger for Gosia and Robert would go through the roof if it was able to be solidly proven and NO WAY would the cabal allow it…it would be a much bigger can of worms trying to fight it in courts then it is worth.

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#21 2022-06-02 21:43:46

Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

Scott Summers wrote:

So if PK girls say the Taygetans are fake, then how do they explain the NORAD identification given to Taygetans?

Oops... hehehehe

First of all, thank you Gosia and Robert for all your hard work.  Creditable work that stands on its own.  The truth ALWAYS shines through.

I'm not a lawyer, but I do work with them.  I'm VERY familiar with how someone you thought you were working with to accomplish a task/mission/project suddenly becomes hostile.  It is usually from an outside source that is somehow threatened.  Most people respond with considerable emotion, and have limited resources. 

This is the trap.  Using your energy and limited resources in a legal suit often completely derails whatever the project was in the first place.

It may not seem natural, but the best strategy is to disengage and pivot.  Stay on task/mission/project.  Use your strengths, avoid the adversary.  Adapt and overcome.  Observe and report.

What would the Taygettan team do?  What is their council on the matter?  How does this affect the 5 years they have put into the relationship?  How does the shift in attention affect the task/mission/project?

I know I'm not seeing new content.  I would think anyone interested in a Holistic Society does NOT want to watch drama.

If you haven't read it, I strongly suggest reading THE ART OF WAR, by Sun Tzu.  If the Taygetans have a NORAD identification and superior technology (and I'm sure they do), I assure you that we have the upper hand.

Peace.  Be still.

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#22 2022-06-05 16:27:25

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Re: Are there any attorneys here who can help Gosia and Robert?

Why a close friend backfires on you, on the Earth ?

Remember the famous scene in Matrix, the movie, when humans were cultivated, grown in a silo, a cylinder.
Now imagine the DNA of a friend is cloned by this way, from a blood sample.
The final result is a twin who has the same frequency. He is entangled with the original.
He may receive special instructions or electric shocks. His conscious will affect the original.

The Earth is a big Las Vegas. Millions of soul land on the Earth by believing they will save the world, or progress,
or experiment at high speed. But they loose, and loose again. The only winner is the owner of the Casino.

It explains so many things, for instance why you can't persuade a family member,
why members on the forum express they are sometimes mentally attacked.

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