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#26 2021-11-25 16:11:50

mitkobs
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Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

Robert369 you are onto my posts from the beginning in this forum. Not going to explain myself to you. Figure it out if you can, if you want. I know that I criticize your beloved idols and sometimes your opinions but what can we do about it.

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#27 2021-11-25 16:34:39

Happy
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Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

Genoveva wrote:

[...] I totally disagree that we'll see power grabbing humans.


I could have been more specific in the above assessment, I agree. Those power-grabbing people are those we already see in high-profiled national and international governmental positions, implementing lock-downs and forced measures of genocide. They are supported by their own organizations and support-structures, composed by individuals that have been groomed and conditioned to follow pre-ordained career-paths and dehumanizing authoritarian conduct. How long these power-grabbers will be allowed to go on is unclear.

The "authentic spirituality" you mention is necessarily a very personal realization. I didn't elaborate on it, but I agree that it cannot be left out, just as you indicate. The expression of it is found by the mentioned values we choose to "hold high." Advanced ethics, as a measure of the maturity of a collective, is a direct consequence of a spiritually oriented consciousness, in my view.


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#28 2021-11-25 17:32:50

Robert369
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Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

Happy wrote:

we are facing a severe global breakdown of social and governmental structures in the years ahead.

I'd agree not only on the happening but on the actually need for all current structures to break down, because they were designed to be corrupt from within and not truly fixable.

Happy wrote:

So we now face the challenge of survival - because it is possible to come out on the other side of this

I don't think this is true and that it only looks like that on the surface, but instead I see a global raise of frequency, and everyone that isn't compatible with the new frequency will either leave on their own or die out due to frequency mismatch/disorder.

Thus everyone who wishes to leave - and that are by far the majority of people, just look at Yazhi/Swaruu's 80% number for soulless and/or Kengu people.

Yet, we also need to realize that the Cabal is killing itself: The more people die, the more people wake up and the less followers that blindly obey as armed oppressors they have. This means that the system is self-healing and not actually fighting for its survival - that is rather what the Cabals do and fail at.

Of course, as we know from the healing processes of our body, there will be certain e.g. uncurable cells that need to get eliminated and replaced, aka renewed. For Humanity this means that everyone who is unable to wake up or otherwise able to transition into a positive higher frequency future will get removed as part of this healing process, and later possibly replaced by new people - be they from Earth or elsewhere.

Happy wrote:

The dynamics we see within collectives are different from the dynamics we see between collectives.

Sorry, but I am not one to believe in any kind of "collective activity" and cannot see any active "collective ongoings" from happening except by defining arbitrary definitions. Instead, we are (or originally were) all self-deciding individuals who make our own decisions. The "collective dynamics" is only a result and not the initial factor which bases purely on cooperation. At least that is how Source-based/-connected people work.

Of course, there's the Regressive way which has everyone pyramidally controlled from top-down both via force and mind-control, but that is not a truly a Human collective in itself but only a manipulation and "gleichschaltung" that multiplicates the efforts of a ruthless self-declared elites group along their agenda.

Thus, whenever I see the word "collective" I get red flags as it automatically leads into an undesired direction. Humans are about individuality and not collectives of any sort, and a society is not the same as a collective.


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#29 2021-11-25 18:21:56

Happy
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Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

Robert369 wrote:
Happy wrote:

So we now face the challenge of survival - because it is possible to come out on the other side of this

I don't think this is true and that it only looks like that on the surface, but instead I see a global raise of frequency, and everyone that isn't compatible with the new frequency will either leave on their own or die out due to frequency mismatch/disorder.

Thus everyone who wishes to leave - and that are by far the majority of people, just look at Yazhi/Swaruu's 80% number for soulless and/or Kengu people.


Hm... I have some difficulties in seeing where you disagree with me in this... We phrase the same thing from different perspectives, in my view.


Robert369 wrote:

Sorry, but I am not one to believe in any kind of "collective activity" and cannot see any active "collective ongoings" from happening except by defining arbitrary definitions. Instead, we are (or originally were) all self-deciding individuals who make our own decisions. The "collective dynamics" is only a result and not the initial factor which bases purely on cooperation. At least that is how Source-based/-connected people work.

Of course, there's the Regressive way which has everyone pyramidally controlled from top-down both via force and mind-control, but that is not a truly a Human collective in itself but only a manipulation and "gleichschaltung" that multiplicates the efforts of a ruthless self-declared elites group along their agenda.

Thus, whenever I see the word "collective" I get red flags as it automatically leads into an undesired direction. Humans are about individuality and not collectives of any sort, and a society is not the same as a collective.


I find it very pertinent, when you point at the similarities/differences of these concepts. Thank you Robert! smile

I see you prefer using the term "society" in the same context I use "collective." It's a good choice, I find, though my own resistance for using that term hinges on my own association to "secret societies" - which I have found has inbuilt hierarchical and authoritarian dynamics.

Take the example of the extraction (if that is what happened) of the Maya - they "ascended" as a collective, not as a society; there were many in their society that were left behind there, who now are the descendants of the Maya in Latin America.

You basically describe the same resistance I have on the concept "community." This stems from it having the same root as used in "communism" - designating the infamous collectivistic ideology. [Edit: But there are admittedly contexts where the term "community" would be the right term to use.]

In this lane, I also frequently use the term "population," to designate an entity that inherit generational transitions for continuity.


Discuss the message, not the messenger. smile

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#30 2021-11-25 19:50:26

DarkOwl
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Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

Happy wrote:

I find it very pertinent, when you point at the similarities/differences of these concepts. Thank you Robert! smile

I see you prefer using the term "society" in the same context I use "collective." It's a good choice, I find, though my own resistance for using that term hinges on my own association to "secret societies" - which I have found has inbuilt hierarchical and authoritarian dynamics.

Take the example of the extraction (if that is what happened) of the Maya - they "ascended" as a collective, not as a society; there were many in their society that were left behind there, who now are the descendants of the Maya in Latin America.

You basically describe the same resistance I have on the concept "community." This stems from it having the same root as used in "communism" - designating the infamous collectivistic ideology. [Edit: But there are admittedly contexts where the term "community" would be the right term to use.]

In this lane, I also frequently use the term "population," to designate an entity that inherit generational transitions for continuity.

The very art of reconciling differences and finding common ground!

I love it!!
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#31 2021-11-26 17:54:33

Happy
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Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

Sinstraia, I know you mean well in this. You empathize, and that in itself is a good thing. When someone gets upset and polarized, we can use that ability in order to find the reasons why. We may then approach the situation and reach for a balance - if our input can make such a difference. In this situation, you have picked up on the motivation and arguments, which were closed off in another thread. You seek to disqualify a decision that not in any way was made lightly from our side here. As such you perform the act of "driving a wedge" between the moderators of the forum, in hope to split them apart. I will not claim that I am invulnerable to this. To override a moderator's decision is a very powerful signal from Admin.

Most forums out there have some reason - a theme - to make it possible for members to meet and discuss relevant topics. There are also many forums on other platforms, where members can gather in a more casual manner and create topics on whatever they like. Such forums usually don't have much active moderation. This is not one of those. Here we have rules - or guidelines, rather - for participation. They are not much elaborated upon, as we trust that the members are able to pick up on the reasons why they are given. This comes easy for most members. But some, as expected, need... call it "adjustment."  Or call it "learning from error" - which is perfectly fine; we do have room for some wiggling here. But one needs to signal that one is receptive, or willing to learn from it. If not, then one will find that the "room" quickly narrows in.

I think you are aware of the uniqueness of this site. In many ways is it in the forefront of the happenings in a global perspective, for the entire world. Many controversial topics are touched upon, and many people are touched one way or another by what is discussed here in the forum. But nobody who runs any forum enjoys that the forum itself becomes a topic, or that the policy itself is discredited. It makes it quite challenging for those who run it. And I can assure you; it is not for self-gratification that we put our energy into this. This is also one of the reasons why your message above would better be conveyed in a "Report," which you find a link for in every post while you are logged in here.


Discuss the message, not the messenger. smile

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#32 2021-11-26 19:36:11

DarkOwl
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Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

Sinstraia wrote:

DarkOwl, can you unban LauriLavi and reach out to him? He must be very upset. It's not ok how that was handled especially after LauriLavi just made a post saying how much he enjoys this board and checks it multiple times a day. I believe he is owed a restoration and an apology. After you read this please delete this comment, thank you.

I wasn't privy to the exchange that took place between Happy and Lauri (as was nighttime in NZ) and it's been deleted.
I can't comment on the wisdom (or not) of the decision.

I did question some of Lauri's use of language and asked for clarification but what happened after that I can't say.

Banning someone should never be taken lightly or done in anger, especially for a long standing, contributing member like Lauri.
But Lauri has had a few scuffles here before and from memory has been banned before so I'm sure he's not too upset by it and will be back smile

Let's put this down to a learning experience. Perhaps when Lauri returns we can open a thread and discuss it together.

Peace xo

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#33 2021-11-27 00:35:05

Vega
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Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

I was checking the forum and caught some of that exchange between Lauri and Happy although I didn't pay much attention and don't fully remember it. And I totally understand that it is not easy for us old souls and advanced starseeds to receive warnings and for our posts to be deleted. I know I would probably be angered or annoyed or hurt if it happened to me, however this is not a chat, it's easier to not post immediately and instead first deal with the part inside us that is hurt annoyed or angered and then try to respond instead of reacting. And try to respond with respect to the mods and with respect to the difficult job that they are volunteering their time and energy to do. And of course this is much easier to preach when it's happening to someone else than to do what I just preached when it's happening to me smile but nevertheless I have more to say so let me continue...

If we put ourself in the shoes of the mods, we will see that it is not a pleasant thing to give warnings to, and to delete posts of, advanced starseeds and they don't enjoy doing it. But we are also in human bodies that are under the influence of some unresolved issues and are under the influence of the human collective unconscious, so we all have our bad days and our blindspots and someone has to do the difficult job of giving us warnings and deleting some posts. 

And also us starseeds and old souls don't do well with any kind of authority so let's all not look at the mods as authority figures that have any authority over us but instead look at them as volunteer forum members that have taken the responsibility of doing a job that someone needs to be doing. I am sure the last thing the mods want is to be an authority figure. Maybe some day we will be able to self-mod but we are in human bodies and inside the human collective unconscious and we are not ready for that yet. So we need to remind  ourselves to  appreciate and support the members that are volunteering their time and energy to do this not so easy job.


And from what I understand the ban is temporary and not permanent so that's not that harsh. And while desperately smile trying not to take sides I wanna give some unasked smile feedback to Lauri that maybe he can use this incident as an opportunity to look into and take responsibility(not blame) for what he did that led him to get temporarily banned and take responsibility for the consequences of doing that. None of us is perfect we all bring some bathwater to the forum. And don't take me deciding to comment on this too personally. I just wanted to comment on this because this is volunteer based and I don't like it when we take the mods for granted and we don't cooperate and support them. And I know it's easy for me to talk since it was not me that got comments deleted and reacted and got myself banned, but maybe when I am in your position you can return the favor and annoy me by commenting on that incident. smile 

I fully respect and trust the decision Happy made, she(?) is the one in that role and it's her decision to make. We all need to cooperate and support and trust her in that job. And any feedback or complaints should be done using the report button. And because I am (desperately reediting this) trying to not take sides I will publicly give some constructive feedback to Happy about this incident too. And that is that maybe she should have informed the members with a post that she is going to be more "strict" and less tolerant with some behavior that we got used to during her absence. The moment I saw Happy is back and her signature I knew the casual days are over and the rules are going to be "enforced" more "strictly" around here. smile


Anyway, I hope you won't stay too mad at Happy for too long Lauri and you'll admit your part of the responsibility and forgive Happy if you perceive from where you stand that you have been wronged. She is just doing her job. And I hope you'll learn something from this and I am sure you will be back, cause from your posts it's obvious that you resonate with this disclosure and the crew a lot if not fully. smile 


I came here to make a short comment and as usual it ended up being an essay, sigh... lol smile


(I am still in beta so trust your own intuition and guidance about what you just read cause some of it may be bullpoop. This is a warning Iol - Vega)

"This class of beings that are fractals of the Source, that are the Source itself from the position of each one of them, are highly scalar beings, who think on many levels and have many levels of consciousness. Not just one." - Yazhi

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#34 2021-11-27 02:19:36

DarkOwl
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Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

Vega wrote:

I was checking the forum and caught some of that exchange between Lauri and Happy although I didn't pay much attention and don't fully remember it. And I totally understand that it is not easy for us old souls and advanced starseeds to receive warnings and for our posts to be deleted. I know I would probably be angered or annoyed or hurt if it happened to me, however this is not a chat, it's easier to not post immediately and instead first deal with the part inside us that is hurt annoyed or angered and then try to respond instead of reacting. And try to respond with respect to the mods and with respect to the difficult job that they are volunteering their time and energy to do. And of course this is much easier to preach when it's happening to someone else than to do what I just preached when it's happening to me smile but nevertheless I have more to say so let me continue...

If we put ourself in the shoes of the mods, we will see that it is not a pleasant thing to give warnings to, and to delete posts of, advanced starseeds and they don't enjoy doing it. But we are also in human bodies that are under the influence of some unresolved issues and are under the influence of the human collective unconscious, so we all have our bad days and our blindspots and someone has to do the difficult job of giving us warnings and deleting some posts. 

And also us starseeds and old souls don't do well with any kind of authority so let's all not look at the mods as authority figures that have any authority over us but instead look at them as volunteer forum members that have taken the responsibility of doing a job that someone needs to be doing. I am sure the last thing the mods want is to be an authority figure. Maybe some day we will be able to self-mod but we are in human bodies and inside the human collective unconscious and we are not ready for that yet. So we need to remind  ourselves to  appreciate and support the members that are volunteering their time and energy to do this not so easy job.


And from what I understand the ban is temporary and not permanent so that's not that harsh. And while desperately smile trying not to take sides I wanna give some unasked smile feedback to Lauri that maybe he can use this incident as an opportunity to look into and take responsibility(not blame) for what he did that led him to get temporarily banned and take responsibility for the consequences of doing that. None of us is perfect we all bring some bathwater to the forum. And don't take me deciding to comment on this too personally. I just wanted to comment on this because this is volunteer based and I don't like it when we take the mods for granted and we don't cooperate and support them. And I know it's easy for me to talk since it was not me that got comments deleted and reacted and got myself banned, but maybe when I am in your position you can return the favor and annoy me by commenting on that incident. smile 

I fully respect and trust the decision Happy made, she(?) is the one in that role and it's her decision to make. We all need to cooperate and support and trust her in that job. And any feedback or complaints should be done using the report button. And because I am (desperately reediting this) trying to not take sides I will publicly give some constructive feedback to Happy about this incident too. And that is that maybe she should have informed the members with a post that she is going to be more "strict" and less tolerant with some behavior that we got used to during her absence. The moment I saw Happy is back and her signature I knew the casual days are over and the rules are going to be "enforced" more "strictly" around here. smile


Anyway, I hope you won't stay too mad at Happy for too long Lauri and you'll admit your part of the responsibility and forgive Happy if you perceive from where you stand that you have been wronged. She is just doing her job. And I hope you'll learn something from this and I am sure you will be back, cause from your posts it's obvious that you resonate with this disclosure and the crew a lot if not fully. smile 


I came here to make a short comment and as usual it ended up being an essay, sigh... lol smile

Thanks very much for weighing in and giving your perspective in such a measured and thoughtful manner Vega. Everyones perspective matters in community concerns (especially when they come from such a caring place!). In some way, we are all mods here smile

I appreciate your understanding of the role of the moderators. Although I'm new to the job here (but have moderated forums before) I can tell you it is a juggling act.

I personally look forward to Lauri's return. Every conflict is an opportunity for growth and this should not go to waste!
Love to you all! <3 x

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#35 2021-11-27 12:32:09

Vega
Member

Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

Sinstraia wrote:
DarkOwl wrote:
Vega wrote:

I was checking the forum and caught some of that exchange between Lauri and Happy although I didn't pay much attention and don't fully remember it. And I totally understand that it is not easy for us old souls and advanced starseeds to receive warnings and for our posts to be deleted. I know I would probably be angered or annoyed or hurt if it happened to me, however this is not a chat, it's easier to not post immediately and instead first deal with the part inside us that is hurt annoyed or angered and then try to respond instead of reacting. And try to respond with respect to the mods and with respect to the difficult job that they are volunteering their time and energy to do. And of course this is much easier to preach when it's happening to someone else than to do what I just preached when it's happening to me smile but nevertheless I have more to say so let me continue...

If we put ourself in the shoes of the mods, we will see that it is not a pleasant thing to give warnings to, and to delete posts of, advanced starseeds and they don't enjoy doing it. But we are also in human bodies that are under the influence of some unresolved issues and are under the influence of the human collective unconscious, so we all have our bad days and our blindspots and someone has to do the difficult job of giving us warnings and deleting some posts. 

And also us starseeds and old souls don't do well with any kind of authority so let's all not look at the mods as authority figures that have any authority over us but instead look at them as volunteer forum members that have taken the responsibility of doing a job that someone needs to be doing. I am sure the last thing the mods want is to be an authority figure. Maybe some day we will be able to self-mod but we are in human bodies and inside the human collective unconscious and we are not ready for that yet. So we need to remind  ourselves to  appreciate and support the members that are volunteering their time and energy to do this not so easy job.


And from what I understand the ban is temporary and not permanent so that's not that harsh. And while desperately smile trying not to take sides I wanna give some unasked smile feedback to Lauri that maybe he can use this incident as an opportunity to look into and take responsibility(not blame) for what he did that led him to get temporarily banned and take responsibility for the consequences of doing that. None of us is perfect we all bring some bathwater to the forum. And don't take me deciding to comment on this too personally. I just wanted to comment on this because this is volunteer based and I don't like it when we take the mods for granted and we don't cooperate and support them. And I know it's easy for me to talk since it was not me that got comments deleted and reacted and got myself banned, but maybe when I am in your position you can return the favor and annoy me by commenting on that incident. smile 

I fully respect and trust the decision Happy made, she(?) is the one in that role and it's her decision to make. We all need to cooperate and support and trust her in that job. And any feedback or complaints should be done using the report button. And because I am (desperately reediting this) trying to not take sides I will publicly give some constructive feedback to Happy about this incident too. And that is that maybe she should have informed the members with a post that she is going to be more "strict" and less tolerant with some behavior that we got used to during her absence. The moment I saw Happy is back and her signature I knew the casual days are over and the rules are going to be "enforced" more "strictly" around here. smile


Anyway, I hope you won't stay too mad at Happy for too long Lauri and you'll admit your part of the responsibility and forgive Happy if you perceive from where you stand that you have been wronged. She is just doing her job. And I hope you'll learn something from this and I am sure you will be back, cause from your posts it's obvious that you resonate with this disclosure and the crew a lot if not fully. smile 


I came here to make a short comment and as usual it ended up being an essay, sigh... lol smile

Thanks very much for weighing in and giving your perspective in such a measured and thoughtful manner Vega. Everyones perspective matters in community concerns (especially when they come from such a caring place!). In some way, we are all mods here smile

I appreciate your understanding of the role of the moderators. Although I'm new to the job here (but have moderated forums before) I can tell you it is a juggling act.

I personally look forward to Lauri's return. Every conflict is an opportunity for growth and this should not go to waste!
Love to you all! <3 x

The reason I am advocating for LauriLavi is that the manner of how the banning was implemented was sadistic and an abuse of power. It made me very sad as I saw that even amongst a conscious community we were not given the ability to be free to express our opinion and also, as soon as power is given, it is abused.

I apologise, but as the original posts are deleted, there is no way to review, which is an additional abuse of power.

The way in which that was handled was beyond cruel. Sorry if by advocating for LauriLavi that I've made it a moderators versus plebs issue, however the imbalance here was obvious. In a world where literal forced injection and genocide upon indigenous peoples of Australia is happening, you'd think the stance against fascism would obviously be reflected within a conscious community. I do not consent to be moderated in this manner.

Let's continue this discussion here, if the mods decide to allow this discussion.


(I am still in beta so trust your own intuition and guidance about what you just read cause some of it may be bullpoop. This is a warning Iol - Vega)

"This class of beings that are fractals of the Source, that are the Source itself from the position of each one of them, are highly scalar beings, who think on many levels and have many levels of consciousness. Not just one." - Yazhi

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#36 2021-11-27 13:00:21

Vega
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Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

Altaïr-VF wrote:

Sinstraia, we appreciate fighters like you.

Off topic comment here.


(I am still in beta so trust your own intuition and guidance about what you just read cause some of it may be bullpoop. This is a warning Iol - Vega)

"This class of beings that are fractals of the Source, that are the Source itself from the position of each one of them, are highly scalar beings, who think on many levels and have many levels of consciousness. Not just one." - Yazhi

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#37 2021-11-27 13:43:36

Robert369
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Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

I cannot see why this is a problem at all, because unlike in other forums, this one still allows banned people to read and by that benefit from the forum.

A temporary ban is an emphasized message (after gentle messages were ignore) and not a permanent exclusion as it was needed for certain other individuals, and I am certain that unlike some people's claims, not being able to post for a short time will not cause him "big issues" - but causes an advanced soul to do what the "time out" is intended for: A bit of retrospective and using the time to do other useful things instead.

Keep in mind that this forum is not the only thing that exists in life, and in fact it is not even the most important thing even: Being active outside of the forum is what the world needs anyways, which all Starseeds should know. After all, we have a planet to liberate - and after that a galaxy...

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#38 2021-11-27 13:47:36

Vega
Member

Re: Swarru et al know Kim Goguen's work?

Genoveva wrote:
Sinstraia wrote:
DarkOwl wrote:

Thanks very much for weighing in and giving your perspective in such a measured and thoughtful manner Vega. Everyones perspective matters in community concerns (especially when they come from such a caring place!). In some way, we are all mods here smile

I appreciate your understanding of the role of the moderators. Although I'm new to the job here (but have moderated forums before) I can tell you it is a juggling act.

I personally look forward to Lauri's return. Every conflict is an opportunity for growth and this should not go to waste!
Love to you all! <3 x

The reason I am advocating for LauriLavi is that the manner of how the banning was implemented was sadistic and an abuse of power. It made me very sad as I saw that even amongst a conscious community we were not given the ability to be free to express our opinion and also, as soon as power is given, it is abused.

I apologise, but as the original posts are deleted, there is no way to review, which is an additional abuse of power.

The way in which that was handled was beyond cruel. Sorry if by advocating for LauriLavi that I've made it a moderators versus plebs issue, however the imbalance here was obvious. In a world where literal forced injection and genocide upon indigenous peoples of Australia is happening, you'd think the stance against fascism would obviously be reflected within a conscious community. I do not consent to be moderated in this manner.

There is a way to review.
The contents of the original posts are automatically included in the notification sent via email by the website engine.

I noticed that posts have been disappearing and sometimes it was amazingly rapidly. I did not know that mods practice this sport routinely. I thought that the author of the posting was doing the deleting.

So, you can all go through your own email notifications, to see what was said.

This is how I also discovered that Ymar was abusively banned and unfairly accused.

But, hey! When the cabal does the censorship, then the people are too affraid to protest the abuse, and this is interpreted as "consent", apparently the conditioning is unconsciously reverberating on this forum too.

Therefore, Sinstraia, I agree with you: it's sad indeed. Painful.

Off topic comment here.


(I am still in beta so trust your own intuition and guidance about what you just read cause some of it may be bullpoop. This is a warning Iol - Vega)

"This class of beings that are fractals of the Source, that are the Source itself from the position of each one of them, are highly scalar beings, who think on many levels and have many levels of consciousness. Not just one." - Yazhi

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