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#126 2022-03-04 19:00:17

Spirit
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Re: DESIRE OF EXTRACTION

Robert369 wrote:
Spirit wrote:

Me thinks a little more bravery can go a long way.

You assume a lot, and negatively so. Yet, as Gosia explained on Telegram just recently, the Taygetans do way more than providing information, but for obvious reasons this cannot be shared during times of war.

And war it is, in which means that the Taygetans are part of it in their respective positive role.

But we need to understand that one cannot solve problems using the same means that caused them, meaning that war is no solution to war as it will cement the war condition even more.

Instead, getting out of the duality loop is the only way to end the war, meaning that Alenym's approach - that has been only hinted very carefully - is the way to go: We need less war if we want to end war, and not more.

This more spiritual approach is the only way to solve the situation, but so far there has been little information given on what they are doing - which is natural, considering the ongoing war; which is nothing less than the continuation of the million+ years old Orion Wars that aim at taking over the galaxy (which would also destroy it).

I admit I am far from privy to the internal and behind the scenes actions and conflicts. That being said, you yourself agree to the idea of less war and more spiritual, which I also agree as there is no such thing as a "Last War". So then why are the Taygetans at war to begin with, if Alenym herself is against that? Or am I misunderstanding you? Also What is stopping them from showing themselves openly in a more spiritual manner, right now? A self evident, spiritual and or physical approach that is as obvious and in your face as nature, would throw a big curveball at the ongoing agenda, which relies on keeping people believing in behind the scenes acts like  "Trust the plan" and "Q" and "White/Black Hats", and more. Such a move, like nature, would wake up and inspire many millions in an instant, let alone the many more millions in the days/weeks following. An unconditional open act of love and care, would empower many millions to change their thoughts and actions in a more positive light, and at such speed that there would be zero way to counter it, as it's of the most pure intent. This would create a tsunami effect of change that can sweep the whole realm in very little time. And if the starseeds and others whom are awake are already doing this, then that will only amplify what is already happening. Does this make sense to you?

I completely agree with you on war, and that more war will lead nowhere. However I fail to see why a more direct, open and self evident approach, even spiritual, would be detrimental to solving the current and long ongoing issues. Perhaps I am just an idealist, but to me anything short of a self evident, direct and open act will only allow the current issues to persist. Also like I have said before, there are far too many people who, despite seeing self evident truths clearly, have trouble seeing beyond that. Are we really okay with leaving them to their fate? I remember reading that one of the Taygetans will take action to stop the current genocide once 70 percent of the population has been jabbed. Is this really an acceptable position, that only once 70 percent have been jabbed, more direct action will be taken? I find that difficult to believe personally, but maybe that is just me.

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#127 2022-03-04 19:15:31

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Crystal Dragon,

I want to say, I do lean with Happy and Robert 369 on the extreme negativity not being beneficial. (And yes, I recall my first post here was very negative, but again, my mother had just died horrifically from papaya. I'm more stable/in balance now.)

And on that note, I will make a disclaimer for this message. I’m not in a negative place right now. This message is more observational, rather than negatively oriented.

Anyway, C. D. said the following which I would like to comment on.

"If the positive starseeds win out with most of the population gone, many will think it is because they are elite and special for not taking the papaya. The "ascended chosen ones", while their family and friends and countless others were just expendable pawns, or even part of the problem. More elitism. More "heaven and hell, chosen and damned" dichotomy. Many of the "chosen" will be thanking the federation for their heaven, and legitimizing the atrocious means because the end came out in their favor."

I have three points that C. D.’s post made me want to dig into.

1. Thresholds.

I've listened to many thousands of channelings since around 9-11-01 when I first woke up. Kryon by Lee Carroll was my primary info source for many years, among others. Now, I listen to Barbara, or hang out here, along with a couple more info sources. Plus, I meditate, etc.

Anyway, the point is, all of these channelers/direct info, say to do this or that, to raise your frequency, to skip the AI timeline, and all these other negative events that are coming or here now.

As examples of my threshold issue. Going with Barbara's Pleiadians, they say, get out in nature, stop using electronics completely, they are deadly devices. Eat healthful foods, and do OUR Pleiadian group's version of frequency raising exercises, etc., etc.
 
Another channeler I like so far, Saratoga Ocean on Youtube, says similar to Barbara, but doesn't go near as far about saying electronics are terrible and will keep one from ascending to a new timeline. (Unless it’s in videos I’ve not seen yet.) She mostly implies to stay out of the metaverse and metaverse type of thinking, per my understanding.

Which one is right? Barbara or Saratoga? To what extent are they right? If electronics are a person’s work and income, do you listen to this and run for the woods, throwing your life, hobbies, or career to the wind?

This AI/splitting of worlds, is all possibly very heavy stuff going on if the spiritual side is true, so… in this example, what is the TRUE threshold of how many electronics you can use before  you ruin your timeline shift/frequency?

How do I even tell if I have shifted a timeline to know I was successful or not? It’s all so much vague misty talk that it’s impossible to really make logical sense of much of it to make realistic life choices.

I mentioned before, how do I know the threshold of how much graphene oxide will hold me back?

I’m still working on Taygetan videos, but so far, they don’t seem to have much in the way of specifics either to do, to ascend the timelines for certain, steps A-Z. And, in fact, they at times make one feel we are doomed no matter what we do.

Another channeler, Marina Jacobi, in one of her books, her Pleiadians say not to pleasure yourself unless doing so while thinking about the one you love. Ought oh! Now this issue will keep me out of "ascending." Sheesh, it really is like I’m back in Sunday school again. If you do this, you will go to hell and grow hair on your palms.

I thought the idea was to NOT judge or condemn ourselves, feel shame and guilt, and to love ourselves unconditionally no matter our faults, to ascend. And, to release attachments, but which ones, and to what extent? Isn’t wishing to ascend an attachment? Isn’t going out in the nature you love, an attachment? Isn't everything one enjoys an attachment at the end of the day? Where's the thresholds here?

There’s no judgement at all in the NDE’s/life reviews. (Granted, again they could be a big trick.) Point is, the NDE’s didn’t really give me a timeline shifting direction, save to say, love each other and yourselves unconditionally.

This spiritual stuff sure can make a person throw their hands in the air. In the early 2000’s I came up with a sarcastic saying after studying numerous spiritual viewpoints. That saying was, “The only truth is there is no truth.” Even the NDE’s were so widely variable it was hard to say what the afterlife might genuinely be like.

Or as another option, do I listen to the NDE, "Tricked by the Light" crowd, who say to just ignore all this duality crap going on in our forced incarnations, and escape through Earth’s magnetic grid holes when you die. Then, once through the grid holes surrounding this planet, then forever leave this entire fabricated, polarized reality, made by the Demiurge and controlled by the Archons.

If I can't escape this duality reality, then I'm stuck trying to figure out at what, exactly, I need to do, to actually ascend the timeline. What are the TRUE thresholds required? Seems like this is important, no?

In Barbara's case, do I need to go live in the woods and never look at a screen again? She makes it sound that way. There are many, many examples from each channeler of "what to do.," GENERALLY. But nobody seems to give you an actual threshold that must be met. Rather, it's a bowl of soup of many ideas but nothing solid to stand on. It really is like I’m back in religion again. Do these arbitrary vague things to get to heaven because I say so. (I used to be Mormon and they are big on "steps to get to heaven.")

Oh, and I have tried a million times to “go within” to my own “I AM” self, meditating and get my own answers. So far, nothing much has bubbled up over the years, save a lot of frustration. Maybe it’s a problem with me?

So, point is, I live in front of electronics. I'm a digital artist, author, etc., and that is what I do mostly 24/7. So, do I listen to Barbara, or Saratoga? Do I listen to Marina and stop pleasuring myself to reach a new timeline?

How much of what Barbara channels is HER vs her Pleiadians? She says she’s never had a TV for fifty years. So, is she just putting her values on me through using Pleiadians, either consciously or subconsciously? How do I know if it’s just her coloring the messages, and do I change my life when I don’t and can’t know this?

Forgive me for picking on the Taygetans for a second. The Taygetans at one point said you must be a vegan to raise your frequency. Then, later that was changed to meat is okay. Huh? Advanced stellar beings that helped seed us and have watched us for millennia, one would think would get this right in the first place.

A vegan diet, both raw and then cooked made me the sickest I’ve been. Now that I’m on a Paleo leaning carnivore diet, I’m far more healthy. This same issue on diets is VERY contradictory with many other channeled sources also. Who to listen to? What is the genuine diet threshold for me to shift to the positive timeline? I would really like to know.

I feel all of these channelers (or direct contacts) have merit or I would not be wasting my time with them, but damn do we need more specifics instead of vague references to what actually works. It is a complete guessing game of who to listen to and how to interpret their data and if we even should act on that data. And, then if we don’t do something, we are screwed in endless ways.

In addition, how do we really know if we have manifested something or if that something would have happened anyway?
And as C. D. said, it is starting to feel much like religion. Do this or that obscure idea to get into heaven and be the chosen one. Fail, and go to AI hell. Your friends and family who got papayaed, well, tough luck.


2. The Pawns

So, as Crystal Dragon alluded to in his comment, we have all of these people out there that are now pawns. I said in my first post here, how awesome all of my family is. (And this is true of many of us here.) My family are all very good people, making the world a better place. Just because they don't study or have interest in all of this left field ET/channeling stuff that I have interest in, well, suddenly it's a death sentence for all of them. Or, maybe none of them are real people, which I find hard to believe.

Not just that though. In fact, Barabara's Pleiadians say that if we DON'T succeed at raising our frequency in this shift, then there will not be another chance FOR A MILLION YEARS, and thus whoever misses the boat, will be incarnating into tyranny for that million years. WHAT?

Were that true, then is it not extremely important to know genuine SPECIFICS to truly beat the timeline shift? If that is true, do my family members deserve a million year prison sentence just because they don't know or at least believe in the things I do? And, why should they? Why are their life paths so wrong?

As said before, using my mother as an example. She was one of the sweetest people on Earth. I doubt she ever swore in her life. A genuine good soul that only cared about others. But, the papaya knocked her out of “heaven,” for a million years? Her lack of knowing this strange stuff I read about knocked her out of “heaven.” It’s really quite asinine when you think about it.

In some religions they send the babies to hell because they are not baptized. Ludicrous! However, is this stuff above not exactly the same?

3. Proof

I very much enjoy the Taygetan's messages and all of the other channelers I listen to. Please know that everyone.

I also very much enjoyed my twenty year study of thousands of near death experiences. That study proved to me conclusively that there is something on the other side. Of that, I don't doubt.

But, all of us in these spiritual communities are basing our outlooks, our lives and directions, on information that is ultimately unknowable for certain. I've not personally seen an ET ship, nor met an ET. I personally can't channel, nor have I had an NDE or OBE to verify anything. Even if I did experience those things, does even that actually prove anything?

So, at least for me, none of this info we talk about has any absolute proof. We argue, we debate, some want to END their lives due to this information. But, at the end of the day, I would wager that few of us know factually that any of this information we glean from internet sources is absolute truth. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
 
So, perhaps due to my points here, being thresholds unknown, our families/friends being pawns, and lack of absolute proof, perhaps we should step back a bit and not get so wound up in all of this. Because, even if you do get caught up in it, it is depressing as hell, and you don't really know for sure what to do about it anyway. Maybe there’s wisdom in the saying “eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow you die.”

It's all a huge mess and makes me personally go a bit crazy. So, of late, I'm trying to relax about all of this ET info. Step out of the forest and get a wider perspective on reality.

Sure, shitty things are truly going on in the world. But, the reasons for those shitty things may, or may not, be all that we think they are. That is why I posted the "Peak Oil" thread. Maybe that is the truth? Few of us on Earth really know the truth for certain, if there even is a “truth.”

For now, I will continue using my screens and electronics for my art work. I will continue to play video games now and then, (despite Barbara and Saratoga makes it sound like it will drop your frequency.) I will continue other activities that were implied might hold us back. But, I will try to be in balance about it. I will eat healthy. I will get out in nature when I can. I will meditate and intend and create in my mind a positive future for us all. I will keep my wifi turned off in my house. On and on.


Agreed. I have revoked every single agreement ever made with anyone else, period. The reason I did this, was because while I respect the freedoms of others and recognize that there are others whom may share the same views as I do, ultimately I just want to be free of it all and have my own pocket of reality where I can continue to live unbound and free. The reason why I suggested a more self evident and open approach, is because every single aspect of my being, recognizes the self evident truths of nature, every single day, with zero difficulty. Also I know that the vast majority of the population also recognizes nature, as it's in their face, every day. They say the best way to learn and or remember a language, is to be exposed to it every single day, so why not take a similar approach with helping people wake up? Open, direct, self evident and in your face, if you want it. Let the Cabal and GF kick and scream in defiance, who cares? They have their own demons and issues to resolve, which will keep them busy. I say give humanity a self evident, open, direct and in your face chance, right now.

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#128 2022-03-04 19:34:48

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lostsole wrote:

If you have interest, and if you are not already familiar with Barbara Marciniak's books and channelings, I bet you would enjoy her work from another group of Pleiadians. They talk often about the critical need to be in nature at this time.

Then, go to min. 49 in the same 2016 video, and listen up to where they talk about "just wait until 2020, planetary crisis, trauma, wakes people up, etc." 
In her first 90's book, "Bringers of the Dawn", the Pleiadians said in about twenty years there will be a splitting of worlds. We are living in that now I believe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoE10cWo_e4

Wow, thank you for the 2017  video link of Barbara Marciniak's predictions !  She was right on back then!

There is another muse who wrote a book about the gradual transitions and splitting of the two Earths.  Penny Kelly got the information in the early 1980s.
She begins talking about the how the new Earth will be.  Start at 9:15 minutes:  https://youtu.be/BM4RkZ4UYf0 

And another video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW7wcne … OBi1xvC3pZ

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#129 2022-03-04 19:44:39

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Spirit,

Since I wrote a novel already, I just want to say I appreciated your points, especially your last sentence or two. All of these going ons are really stupid and downright insane. I wonder to myself all the time, how any ET's, "GF" and others, who advanced to the stars, still seem like petty school yard bullies. But, whatever. People who behave like the crew of Star Trek seem like the genuine fiction. 

Also, I as well released any contracts and agreements in my meditations, many times over, if there are actually any? Gets back to who knows what the real truth is about all of this stuff.

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#130 2022-03-04 20:02:47

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Meridian woman, I'm glad you liked the link. It is confusing on the dates. They have a post date, but then below is a recorded date, so, if correct, it is a bit older per that recorded date, in 2016.

Anyway, Barbara's stuff has had some chilling predictions at times. I've now listened to almost all of her new material also. https://boldconnectionsunlimited.sellfy.store/

Some of the new material can be found on Bitchute if you want to "try" before you buy. Might lower your frequency though. Lol.

Of course, I have my beefs with Barbara's group as well, per my big novel thread above. Still, of all the channels I've come across, her material is probably the most accurate as far as predictions go, which then leads me to believe that perhaps what they say about everything else I might should take seriously.

Kryon through Lee Carroll also has had some excellent predictions over the years that did come true.


Thank you so much for the other links. I will be listening to those tonight as I work on my deadly electronics! Lol. I'm always willing to try new stuff.

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#131 2022-03-04 20:41:10

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Azirael Alcyone wrote:

@white dwarf. “They” most definitely can pick up telepathic signals. In addition to this I believe many starseeds are tagged with tech too. .

I remember Gosia saying in one of her vids that she asked our Taygetans to read her mind as an experiment and they couldn't receive everything. Since I don't direct my energy at specific people and don't do telepathy in general, my signals are even less likely to be noticed. And I have no reason to think I'm tagged or being watched. In fact, sometimes it feels like not even my soul gives a shit.


Azirael Alcyone wrote:

I extractions were about to occur in larger scale, my money goes for them being executed by the group of beings one embodies in his current incarnation in immersion.

You mean attacks on the ships used for extracting? Otherwise it doesn't make sense. Extracted starseeds or the E.T.s who help them can't be harmed in advanced starships by those on Earth and those not extracted and unaware can't be detected, I assume.

And I am of no help, trust me. If anything, I'm one of those who need help. I don't even uplift other people on my occasional good days, you need a social life for that. To be honest, I can't be bothered to spam the internet with links to Cosmic Agency, which is an option.

lostsole wrote:

So, at least for me, none of this info we talk about has any absolute proof. We argue, we debate, some want to END their lives due to this information. But, at the end of the day, I would wager that few of us know factually that any of this information we glean from internet sources is absolute truth. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.

For me not wanting to be here started a long time ago. I wouldn't bet my arm on the truthfulness/accuracy of any source of so called spirtual knowledge, but the CA material is one of the best I've found to believe in. There are days when I don't care much about the potentially existing things and I'm fine with the idea of oblivion after death. I don't have a religious mindset.

I like your mention of the health factor. What we put in and on our bodies can influence our brains and, in turn, our mental health. Unfortunately, eating right (in my book, low carb and intermittent fasting), taking supplements and minimizing harm to my physicaly body merely helps me remain somewhat sane. Which makes it easy to slip up.

And I'm sorry about your family situation. But at least you are still surrounded by people you like and love. My closest relatives make me think they may be NPCs aka soulless people. Not sure which is worse.

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#132 2022-03-04 20:54:33

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Hi White Dwarf,

I'm not going to say much, as I said enough today already.

Rather, just wanted to mention I appreciated your comments directed at my post and I am sorry those in your life are not that great. In that regard I am blessed to have good people in my life. So many in this world do not have that, and I need to appreciate it even more so. Thank you for helping me to realize that.

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#133 2022-03-04 21:00:43

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You're welcome. If I have actual family out there, the kind of family I would miss if I remembered them...I will surely appreciate them even more after all of this is over.

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#134 2022-03-04 21:43:42

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Meridianwoman, I'm really enjoying the info in Penny Kelly's materials so far. Quite practical, at least in the first video I'm watching, which in part is what I was bitching about earlier. Give me some damn specifics of how to deal with what is happening! I'll be trying out more of her info.

Thanks a bunch!

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#135 2022-03-04 22:56:23

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I agree with Spirit's assessment in that when we ask for action, we are not asking for war. We are not asking the Taygetans to go attack the Maitre on Mars, or blow up all of the dumbs. This would be the federation's job, if they were not complicit with those groups and actually protected this solar system. The type of action that we are asking for is increased contact with starseeds. They know who we are, and where we congregate online. They do not need to cast a wide net into mainstream social media, at least not until they have established contact with awakened starseeds first, who could then support and propagate their message outwards.

Taking the spiritual brown pill that all is well on higher densities and non physical realms so just give up your 3-5d desires and accept this mess is not good enough. Resigning oneself to view 3d as nothing more than a hardknock school of suffering for "spiritual growth" legitimizes the federation mindset and feeds the loosh drinkers. We should be trying to build heaven on Earth, and by we, I mean 3-5d together.

I tire of the same old messages over and over. "Political figure X" is not your friend, but another side of the cabal. Don't take the papayas. The federation isn't here to liberate Earth. Liberating humanity is not viable.

I say: Who the fuck is our friend, really? What solution do you have for those who did take the papayas, just accept suffering and death? Who is actually going to help, and how do you expect a handful of statseeds fully immersed in the physical limitations of 3d life to win alone with no support against an overwhelming technological and geopolitical advantage of the cabal? What solution is viable, letting us suffer and die and be reset to a 3d hellhole again? How is that viable? Either help us win, or pull us out FFS.

Anyone who truly cares about humanity on 5d needs to stop playing by self-imposed rules and limitations and stop playing by the federation's rules entirely.

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#136 2022-03-04 23:08:50

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Crystal Dragon wrote:

Anyone who truly cares about humanity on 5d needs to stop playing by self-imposed rules and limitations and stop playing by the federation's rules entirely.

Please note that 5D is the universe's basic physical playground and nothing elevated at all, but instead the lowest place to be in the universe, "all down in physicality". I am talking about the 5D environment which is separate from the individual consciousness level.

Thus, depending on the individual consciousness level in 5D, some act like in "kindergarden", and sadly some of those "kinders"/children have the need to feel big and thus created a 3D playground where they can bully around others from their "elevated" 5D level. This obviously points at massive ego issues and worse, so one needs to ask what their parents did wrong...

But no worries, while not visible from down here, those "parents" of the "kindergarden" are not only watching but actively managing the situation - which, since time is annoying down here, always "takes too long" (not because of the parents but because of the children not doing their homework!).

And those who they deem ready (and not the ones down here) very well have real "contact", albeit for good reason not public at this time. And I am not talking about fake-contact via implants that only aims at influencing the 3D game world. Thus, if you desire contact and don't get it, there are reasons, e.g. not truly being ready for it (e.g. because of utterly being caught in the game world), contracts/agreements that disallow such, etc..


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#137 2022-03-04 23:17:24

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Crystal Dragon

I understand your frustration, but do they even have access to the databases of the other races who send their people here to help with the shift? It's safe to assume not all of the starseeds who gather around Cosmic Agency are Taygetan.

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#138 2022-03-04 23:36:34

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white dwarf wrote:

Crystal Dragon

I understand your frustration, but do they even have access to the databases of the other races who send their people here to help with the shift? It's safe to assume not all the starseeds who gather around Cosmic Agency are Taygetan.

Many have had Taygetan incarnations or are immersed from one, though not all. I'm not sure about access to that kind of database. Those peoples' star races should be making such contact as well, if they are interested in supporting their starseeds, but if not, there is no harm in Taygetans and others such as Alcyone races making contact with non-Taygetan/non-Pleiadean starseeds in solidarity of principles and ideals.


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#139 2022-03-04 23:51:24

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white dwarf wrote:

Crystal Dragon

I understand your frustration, but do they even have access to the databases of the other races who send their people here to help with the shift? It's safe to assume not all of the starseeds who gather around Cosmic Agency are Taygetan.

Very much so, and it is safe to say that the vast majority of Starseeds, as well as their guides and Higher Selves are not Taygetan, and likely not even Lyran as such race group classification only applies to lower densities anyways.

Yet, many of those non-Taygetan Starseeds surely see what Gosia/Robert, the Swaruus and the Taygetan team are doing here, and happily join in, because many of them are here to help Humanity and this is a good place to team up. And Taygetan Starseeds surely are likely to end up here anyways due to resonance, intuition, Law of Attraction, etc.


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#140 2022-03-05 00:01:48

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@CD
Sure there is no harm. But if the only way to get that data is to hack their systems, I don't expect that move from our Taygetans. I also doubt any E.T.s would feel responsible for someone who used to be one of them. And how naive do you have to be to know what Taygetan people know and come here through ordinary incarnation? *facepalm*

Do you think you will feel resentment no matter what if you die here and then wake up in a pod? Towards those you wanted to extract you.

@Robert
Well, Taygetans are supposed to be a small group at this time. Have we ever been given info regarding the approximate number of starseeds in general?

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#141 2022-03-05 00:12:46

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white dwarf wrote:

@CD
Sure there is no harm. But if the only way to get that data is to hack their systems, I don't expect that move from our Taygetans. I also doubt any E.T.s would feel responsible for someone who used to be one of them. And how naive do you have to be to know what Taygetan people know and come here through ordinary incarnation? *facepalm*

Do you think you will feel resentment no matter what if you die here and then wake up in a pod? Towards those you wanted to extract you.

@Robert
Well, Taygetans are supposed to be a small group at this time. Have we ever been given info regarding the approximate number of starseeds in general?

I forgot where I found the information, perhaps in the immersion pod series. About 2000 female and 500 male Taygetan starseeds are immersed from pods. I do not know of the number incarnate but not in pods.

From what I have gathered on my own soul history/status: I am an old soul who has been incarnating into this universe and particular galaxy for an extremely long time. I have had many lives in Orion, and many in the Pleiades, including Taygeta. I am not sure if the Orion and Pleiadean incarnations are part of the same linear timeline, or parallel timelines. I am pretty sure that I am here via immersion pod, and it is highly likely that my 5d immersed self is Taygetan.

You pose a very good question about resentment. I suppose that depends on the circumstances after I wake up. Are my loved ones and friends still around, or did they live their entire life spans and pass on due to time dilation? Where do I fit in to my home society, and most importantly my interpersonal relationships upon my return(this can have potential complications). The third factor is how well my Earth memories and emotions integrate with my 5d ones.

These are the kind of personal questions I would ask if I were to make contact. I would like some peace of mind, and would like to know my immersion status, possible option for extraction, and about the type of life I would be returning to. How is it planned to return home, who is awaiting me, etc.

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#142 2022-03-05 00:42:28

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Thanks, but I was expressing my curiousity about all the civilisations present here through immersion. It must be nice to have some idea about your past, even if not fully accurate. I don't even trust my intuition anymore. Speaking of timelines, I'm far from understanding it fully, but I've been playing with the idea of timeline jumping if that's what we can really do. How do we do that??

Don't all the interstellar people have a life span of at least a couple of hundred years? And would anyone want to play a human if it meant never seeing their tribe again? Would you prefer that your hypothetical romantic partner spends a lot of time without you on your peaceful home planet or that she's here somewhere immersed like you and there's a chance of finding her?

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#143 2022-03-05 00:42:36

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white dwarf wrote:

@Robert
Well, Taygetans are supposed to be a small group at this time. Have we ever been given info regarding the approximate number of starseeds in general?

One cannot just count Starseeds but needs to understand that behind many Starseeds is a large team of assisting entities, either from the physical or beyond, which depending on the task for some individuals down here can be as small as 3-5 beings, or as high as millions and beyond, which utterly depends on the conscious that is behind the Starseed.

Insofar, it is not useful to just count Starseeds but needed to understand that these can be "representants" of whatever beings of lower or higher densities or even beyond any densities. Things in the universe just don't work in a linear manner as the physicality might make use believe, and this is reflected in how Starseeds operate on their mission: Some being merely "alternative physical vessels" (e.g. via immersion pods that are located in the 5-7D reals) and others being actual incarnations from lesser or higher beings or even groups of beings.

The above also explains why nobody in the universe can know the number of "Starseeds" on Earth. In fact, the word itself is funny because it refers to needing the opposite of "non-Starseed" which I would define as either "unreal people" or "true Gaians" aka those who are part of Gaia's consciousness and have never incarnated elsewhere. But even this definition is unprecise, because any consciousness can re-decide its "attachment" (e.g. to Gaia) at any time.

So, without being able to define what "not a Starseed" is, it is impossible to define what "Starseed" actually means, because all the consciousnesses reside outside of our universe anyways, while whatever happens or incarnates is an attention focus only.


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#144 2022-03-05 15:32:00

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Thanks, Greta. Every civilisation has a name and we can call ourselves Terrans now, I guess.

To be clear, I've watched enough Gosia's videos to know that humans/Terrans is a term best applied to the local meatsuits alone and that Lucy wasn't my great, great, great...granny.

When I use the word starseeds, I'm thinking about the E.T.s who are planted into this matrix with technology for the purpose of helping or having a human experience or both. I'd rather not mix them with the regressives who enter the same way, but I'm yet to invent a label for those.

I remember discovering the starseed movement online and being confused by all those people being so confident in their belief of their extraterrestrial past and making it their identity. Even if some of them were right, I didn't think it was that important. I thought soul migration was to be expected and an ordinary thing if this wasn't the only place with intelligent life forms. I had no clue about the immersion program at the time. The vast majority of them probably didn't either.

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#145 2022-03-05 18:29:54

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So we were told that the primitive proto-humans really existed? Or do you choose to believe earthly science in this case?

The pod thing is a joke. Double 13 shows how blessed I feel to be on this planet.

Btw, I just realised I keep mentioning Taygetans and I'm yet to acknowledge our Swaruunian ladies here. I do know they are considered to be a kind of their own.

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#146 2022-03-06 03:36:01

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If I die and wake up in Taygeta or Orion, it could potentially be a good outcome. If I wake up and find I'm part of a race that is actively part of the UFOP, I will disown them and become nomadic. I would be interested in finding an alliance or society that is against federation doctrines and lives by a different moral code that does not validate sick experiments like Earth. Never again will I be part of something like this. I may some day again incarnate on a developing planet after recovering and fulfilling desires, but there has to be a purpose and a win condition, not to mention elements in my life that actually make me happy.

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#147 2022-03-06 06:23:32

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I would like to draw your attention to a movie which exemplifies quite well the actual situation Krakatoa The Last Days 2006,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCXSDzo0tLg

it is a kind of extraction scenario at these time stamps

1.02.30 when the captain of a ship, caught in the dangerous tidal wave due to eruption, addresses the people on board about the choices they have in that dire situation - he said , he is willing to give up his life to save them...and then he goes up and gives the order to turn around the ship and go against the tidal wave. With a large grin on his face he faces the challenging act, and they succeeded in going above the crest. Most of the people survived it , some of them died.

1.10.30  - a family living in a light tower at the sea - the dog senses the danger and runs away, the woman is more down to earth and preoccupied with those around her, goes out in the storm to find it, and survives.The father is preoccupied with his ideas, living mostly in his head, when finally notice what is happening hasn't got a chance - the tower got washed away.

What will you chose???

I think when you realize that you have nothing to lose your attention got the freedom of choice - sometimes even "miracles" happen as the inspired you gets the command.

And  some stressors can indeed makes us spring into inspiration-directed actions. Just that be aware that prolonged monotonic stress is more insidious, as one gets into the so called trans-marginal inhibition, which paralyzes the victim . I have to stress - the VICTIM not the WARRIOR.
AND YOU CAN BE A WARRIOR, WITHOUT ANYONE NOTICING IT !!!

One can choose how to face stress, how to modulate it - just by changing thoughts and attitude.

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#148 2022-03-06 13:57:27

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I don't know if it's possible for people like us to be, for example, Andromedan. Although I'm not feely enough to be called feely and I try to look at the bigger picture like them, it seems like I understand certain things better than those supposedly enlightened beings, despite my currently limited mind. It would be so awkward to wake up among the very people who allow this mess on Earth and think it's ok. That assuming our memories wouldn't be automatically dismissed as "not a fun game, but who cares, it's just a game" or something similar. I wonder how many prison planets comparable to this one exist in the Milky Way. I hope not many.

You don't have to be a bleeding-for-the-world heart to get sick of watching a bunch toddlers, most of them with amnesia, bullying each other for thousands of years. Sometimes I suspect some of those "emotionless" races are full of shit. For example again, Andromedans. They supposedly believe in silly karma and fear it a lot. Fear is a feeling. This is either an excuse not to give us what we need, which is a global reveal of truth, or they can feel strongly. Just not for us. Or they really are taken over by harmful tulpas or some other filth. Anyway, "void of compassion for other races" may be a better description. And I say that as a nihilism-friendly person. Apparently I'm growing out of the idea of learning through suffering, why can't they?

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#149 2022-03-06 17:01:20

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white dwarf wrote:

I don't know if it's possible for people like us to be, for example, Andromedan.


I think I’d like to re-shuffle the words in your statement here. - because then I think it becomes a notch closer to some shared truth:

“I don't know if it's possible for people, for example, Andromedan, to be like us.”


Yet, It doesn’t really say much, does it? Because... ...


white dwarf wrote:

You don't have to be a bleeding-for-the-world heart to get sick of watching a bunch toddlers, most of them with amnesia, bullying each other for thousands of years.


We become sick because we put ourselves into the situation in order to evaluate it according to our own values. That’s why we so vehemently oppose any intent in what we’ve come to realize about the conditions on Earth.

But when we are exposed to such things over a prolonged period, the result is exactly to become insensitive. It’s one of our protective mechanisms: To survive in an inhumane environment, we block out the vulnerable parts, and keep the parts of us that may survive there. We know this as "fragmentation", "trauma", and "splitting personality". The darkest and most concealed parts of our societies have been using exactly this against us - to dehumanize us.

But we have no data to support that this is the case with Andromedans. Most likely, every single race observing us out there have some very strict counter-measures going on - to avoid exactly this happening on an individual basis among themselves. I’d say it’s imperative. They have to in order to preserve their own integrity.


white dwarf wrote:

For example again, Andromedans.

They supposedly believe in silly karma and fear it a lot.

Fear is a feeling.


“Silly karma” has been re-phrased by Yazhi, and the concept became a lot simpler to grasp from it. It’s a fundamental “cause-and-effect.” And I find it hard to think the Andromedans object to this.

So the fear conceived becomes the effect of some choice. Because that’s when the concept itself activates; when the effects of a choice is known and anticipated. So they do what we all do when we see the negative effects of an alternative, they choose differently.


white dwarf wrote:

Apparently I'm growing out of the idea of learning through suffering, why can't they?


I see this as probably the most significant sentence in your post, white dwarf. I’ve spent quite some time pondering on a very similar mechanism, namely “learning through error.” This is what makes us see why an effect of an upcoming choice must be considered negative. - because before learning, we’re simply unable to see it.

And if that [Edit: new and different] choice signify what I call “a new standard” – then we grow. It may be considered elementary, but my... ... there’s some deep truth in this.


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#150 2022-03-06 23:54:11

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Federation races have no integrity left to preserve. A "new standard" is not going to be gained through the same old suffering game having some benefit. It will be gained by realizing the pointlessness and sickness of it, and demanding that things be done a different way in the future in regards to Earth and other developing planets.


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