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#1 2022-01-28 21:44:42

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Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

Ben Fulford gives his opinion on Kim Goguen here. A quote:

Right now the indications are that she is definitely not head of the financial system and she appears to be a Rockefeller front. I hope I’m wrong but it’s a very well funded campaign using robots or AI to promote the message on all sorts of alternative sites. It’s very slick and very well financed but it’s also not transparent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubB93mu6_6s

Clip from:
Benjamin Fulford Friday Q&A Video Interview 01/21/2022

https://benjaminfulford.net/2022/01/21/ … 1-21-2022/


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#2 2022-01-28 22:21:02

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

Brief Ben Fulford bio for those who don't know who he is:

Benjamin Fulford has been a geo-political commentator and investigative journalist for 30 years. He’s written fifteen books and was the Asia-Pacific Bureau Chief for Forbes magazine for 7 years. He’s also worked for other financial magazines and has many contacts in the financial world.

https://benjaminfulford.net/about/

He is the nemesis of the Rockefeller family and Ben is famous for securing an interview with David Rockefeller and confronting him about the NWO. You can hear him talk about that and watch a hilarious clip from that interview here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b24ZuNyAckw

With Ben’s knowledge and connections, he is particularly well placed to make an informed judgement regarding Kim Goguen and her claims.


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#3 2022-01-28 23:19:42

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@DarkOwl

Thank you for sharing this excerpt, though I am very sad to see that you consider BF to be "well-informed", because about 50% of his content is utterly misunderstood (at best), and then calling out for BF to make a qualified comment on Kim.

As for Kim, especially his comment about her using a "Cabal platform" is silly, because 99% of all web platforms out there are on Cabal platforms, and 100% of all services and users must use a Cabal-controlled ISP to connect to the internet.

Just like pretty much everyone, Kim is is using e.g. a commercial platform like "nunchee.tv" for her news and videos, and other service providers for the many other platforms that they run. His suggestion that her money is coming from questionable sources is based on pure speculation presented as "logic" - which is not worthy a "truth reporter".

This means that by BF's definition he must be working for the Cabals too, just as every other person who runs a server or other internet service - even private ones.

Fact is that he hasn't heard of her, and he hasn't heard of almost all the background powers so far - including ETs, to which he only very recently even started to comment in a most limited manner. Yet he insists on making a suggestive comment that misleads many - I sense a diplomatic way of disinformation here.

This being said, he claims that he is open to a talk with her. We'll see how/if that goes, because if Kim is what she says they will have very little common grounds because BF is not working for a group that wishes to **liberate Humanity** but for a group that wishes to **liberate Humanity from the Satanists to take over afterwards** - which will be the millennia old GF control but not freedom.


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#4 2022-01-28 23:37:14

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

Robert369 wrote:

@DarkOwl

Thank you for sharing this excerpt, though I am very sad to see that you consider BF to be "well-informed", because about 50% of his content is utterly misunderstood (at best), and then calling out for BF to make a qualified comment on Kim.

As for Kim, especially his comment about her using a "Cabal platform" is silly, because 99% of all web platforms out there are on Cabal platforms, and 100% of all services and users must use a Cabal-controlled ISP to connect to the internet.

Just like pretty much everyone, Kim is is using e.g. a commercial platform like "nunchee.tv" for her news and videos, and other service providers for the many other platforms that they run. His suggestion that her money is coming from questionable sources is based on pure speculation presented as "logic" - which is not worthy a "truth reporter".

This means that by BF's definition he must be working for the Cabals too, just as every other person who runs a server or other internet service - even private ones.

Fact is that he hasn't heard of her, and he hasn't heard of almost all the background powers so far - including ETs, to which he only very recently even started to comment in a most limited manner. Yet he insists on making a suggestive comment that misleads many - I sense a diplomatic way of disinformation here.

This being said, he claims that he is open to a talk with her. We'll see how/if that goes, because if Kim is what she says they will have very little common grounds because BF is not working for a group that wishes to **liberate Humanity** but for a group that wishes to **liberate Humanity from the Satanists to take over afterwards** - which will be the millennia old GF control but not freedom.

I 100% agree with your assessment of BF.

"well placed to make an informed judgement regarding Kim Goguen and her claims" is different to "well informed" though.

Surely someone who mixes in the circles BF does would have come across the likes of Kim G? No?

(unless he's lying... which I don't perceive he is here)

EDIT: I removed that bit from the description as I don't want to be misperceived as endorsing BF (which I'm not!)


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#5 2022-01-29 09:47:04

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Thank you for clarifying - much appreciated.


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#6 2022-03-10 16:06:56

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

Interview with Kim and Ben Fulford (March 10)

About an hour long. Worth a listen smile
https://benjaminfulford.net/2022/03/10/ … interview/

Last edited by Albert (2022-03-10 16:22:57)


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#7 2022-03-10 16:40:48

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Albert wrote:

Interview with Kim and Ben Fulford (March 10)

About an hour long. Worth a listen smile
https://benjaminfulford.net/2022/03/10/ … interview/


smile I listened to it... They're talking about initiating some cooperation. Among other things.


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#8 2022-03-10 18:16:15

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Happy wrote:

They're talking about initiating some cooperation.

Right, which is a good start. But then, the question is if that actually aims at helping Humanity to get liberated, or if that just leads into a new "nicer cage" which still remains under GF control and within the 3D Matrix. Which I consider the goals of certain involved parties as to remain in power.

This means that while such cooperation may help for the time being to e.g. overcome the Zionists, etc. and replace many of their nasty structures, as long as agencies like NSA, CIA, etc. and houses like Dragon Families, etc. or even corporations remain intact and their property isn't redistributed to the people who it actually belongs to (as it was stolen from them), there'll be no real change on our planet, as it has many more problems than satanic rituals, etc..

One step after another, I guess - especially since most people would be overwhelmed if seeing the whole picture.

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#9 2022-03-10 18:33:32

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It's all about the money. Without it, there would probably be no "restoration plan" or whatever they call it. And it's been like that for as long as I can remember.

When everything gets a price-tag, it becomes difficult to avoid tagging the value of a human life, as well. This effectively derails focus away from things that cannot be ranked and tagged...


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#10 2022-03-12 19:39:48

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

Albert wrote:

Interview with Kim and Ben Fulford (March 10)

About an hour long. Worth a listen :)biden
https://benjaminfulford.net/2022/03/10/ … interview/


I listened to the whole interview.....I am still mostly neutral with Kim but a little after 42 min. she says Trump is dead like Biden. Fulford appeared shocked & she said what were seeing is a doppelganger & that his family is making to much money on the rallies & that is what the family has said directly.

My question is if anyone knows if there is a link that supports Trumps family directly saying this. Surely by now there are other folks that are confirming his death as so stated by Kim.

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#11 2022-03-12 21:12:18

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

Jim Stav wrote:
Albert wrote:

Interview with Kim and Ben Fulford (March 10)

About an hour long. Worth a listen :)biden
https://benjaminfulford.net/2022/03/10/ … interview/


I listened to the whole interview.....I am still mostly neutral with Kim but a little after 42 min. she says Trump is dead like Biden. Fulford appeared shocked

My question is if anyone knows if there is a link that supports Trumps family directly saying this. Surely by now there are other folks that are confirming his death as so stated by Kim.

That exchange was interesting. I recall that Ben (but it could possibly be someone else) had been reporting that there are two Trumps, the real one, who is possibly in Thule military base in Greenland, and the Doppelgänger. The fake was is the one that pushed vaccines and has joules. The real Trump had his kid vaccine injured so was never a fan of any vaccines in general. So the fake Trump has been doing rallies and raking in piles of money. I recall several months ago Kim stating that once you sign for updates on the Trump website you will be forever be sent requests for donations. So it is a money making propaganda machine.

My take about the whereabouts of the real DT was always, ‘if you know a imposter is going around in public making money and pushing the shot, why are you not speaking out!’. So the whole ‘two Trumps’ thing was always fishy - but not impossible. Whether Kim is correct, who really can be sure (about anything).

With her statement' ‘trump is dead’, Ben did appear shocked. But, that exchange was still peculiar since it seems natural to follow that statement up with “tell me more”. But Ben did not follow up, nor did Kim add anything. I would have liked for, even if just a sentence or two,  to know how long ago, who are the suspects, and why. But instead the conversation just went on. That just did not seem natural.

Overall, the interview seems respectful from both sides. No agenda or gotcha questions. Which makes me wonder why in the thread above we see her posting on socialist media. (Edited to add that post seems to have been removed)

Another thing that stood out a pinch was Ben stating, as he often does, that ‘we should have the military go to NY and CA to stop the fake media and social platform silicon censors. This is something I am all for. Kim’s response was something like, ‘do we really care about the fake media’. Well, duh! The average person needs to know that info is fake and censored, and until they realize this the cabal can play their games through ongoing propaganda. For years I’ve been telling people the goal of the news is not to inform, it is to get and keep you angry and scared. So why Kim didn’t seem anxious or open to shutting down the well oiled propaganda machine seemed curious.

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#12 2022-03-12 21:30:22

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Albert wrote:

Another thing that stood out a pinch was Ben stating, as he often does, that ‘we should have the military go to NY and CA to stop the fake media and social platform silicon censors. This is something I am all for. Kim’s response was something like, ‘do we really care about the fake media’.

Well, duh! The average person needs to know that info is fake and censored, and until they realize this the cabal can play their games through ongoing propaganda. For years I’ve been telling people the goal of the news is not to inform, it is to get and keep you angry and scared. So why Kim didn’t seem anxious or open to shutting down the well oiled propaganda machine seemed curious.

I'd agree to a take-over of the media just to spread a wake-up call to the world being potentially useful, if done carefully (aka without scaring the sheeples into a shock death or civil war). Though, to be truly successful, such would require a world-wide effort in all countries, which isn't possible without starting a war against all of them, because no country's Cabal government currently would accept this. Thus, due to the global scope of such operation this surely would be difficult to achieve.

But I also see that we cannot "take over and rearrange" an intrinsically corrupt media system which also uses 100% unhealthy technologies, and hope to make it "work for a good cause". In the end, all of it needs to be replaced with both new healthy content and technology.

And her approach of "just not using their crap anymore" surely will work out, because in the end those silly media message also help to awaken people from the lies - at least the awakenable ones, as the other are incurable anyways...

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#13 2022-03-13 19:00:52

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

Albert wrote:
Jim Stav wrote:
Albert wrote:

Interview with Kim and Ben Fulford (March 10)

About an hour long. Worth a listen :)biden
https://benjaminfulford.net/2022/03/10/ … interview/


I listened to the whole interview.....I am still mostly neutral with Kim but a little after 42 min. she says Trump is dead like Biden. Fulford appeared shocked

My question is if anyone knows if there is a link that supports Trumps family directly saying this. Surely by now there are other folks that are confirming his death as so stated by Kim.

That exchange was interesting. I recall that Ben (but it could possibly be someone else) had been reporting that there are two Trumps, the real one, who is possibly in Thule military base in Greenland, and the Doppelgänger. The fake was is the one that pushed vaccines and has joules. The real Trump had his kid vaccine injured so was never a fan of any vaccines in general. So the fake Trump has been doing rallies and raking in piles of money. I recall several months ago Kim stating that once you sign for updates on the Trump website you will be forever be sent requests for donations. So it is a money making propaganda machine.

My take about the whereabouts of the real DT was always, ‘if you know a imposter is going around in public making money and pushing the shot, why are you not speaking out!’. So the whole ‘two Trumps’ thing was always fishy - but not impossible. Whether Kim is correct, who really can be sure (about anything).

With her statement' ‘trump is dead’, Ben did appear shocked. But, that exchange was still peculiar since it seems natural to follow that statement up with “tell me more”. But Ben did not follow up, nor did Kim add anything. I would have liked for, even if just a sentence or two,  to know how long ago, who are the suspects, and why. But instead the conversation just went on. That just did not seem natural.

Overall, the interview seems respectful from both sides. No agenda or gotcha questions. Which makes me wonder why in the thread above we see her posting on socialist media. (Edited to add that post seems to have been removed)

Another thing that stood out a pinch was Ben stating, as he often does, that ‘we should have the military go to NY and CA to stop the fake media and social platform silicon censors. This is something I am all for. Kim’s response was something like, ‘do we really care about the fake media’. Well, duh! The average person needs to know that info is fake and censored, and until they realize this the cabal can play their games through ongoing propaganda. For years I’ve been telling people the goal of the news is not to inform, it is to get and keep you angry and scared. So why Kim didn’t seem anxious or open to shutting down the well oiled propaganda machine seemed curious.

I agree 100% that Ben's reaction hearing for the first time of Trumps passing was quite comical. He should have immediately followed up with a volley of questions about that. Does anyone know if this has been confirmed by anyone else....or is this exclusive info just for Kim?

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#14 2022-03-17 02:32:31

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

Robert369 wrote:

Thank you for sharing this excerpt, though I am very sad to see that you consider BF to be "well-informed", because about 50% of his content is utterly misunderstood (at best), and then calling out for BF to make a qualified comment on Kim.

I'm curious, if you don't mind sharing; what changed your attitude/perspective on Benjamin Fulford? You used to post the reports.


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#15 2022-03-17 02:38:33

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Cosmic Sea wrote:

I'm curious, if you don't mind sharing; what changed your attitude/perspective on Benjamin Fulford? You used to post the reports.

I thought that I explained it quite long that BF has changed from "some good information among much propaganda for his bosses (the White Dragon Families) and the White Hats (altogether serving the GF)" to "pure propaganda and bashing of anyone else" - especially including those who work on an actual liberation of Humanity and not just on getting them into a "nicer GF-controlled cage".

In other words: His content always needed plenty of discernment, but now he went overboard with the nonsense for my taste, meaning that I am not wasting time on this anymore. There still exist other sources for his reports, if you seek them.


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#16 2022-03-17 04:07:30

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

Robert369 wrote:
Cosmic Sea wrote:

I'm curious, if you don't mind sharing; what changed your attitude/perspective on Benjamin Fulford? You used to post the reports.

I thought that I explained it quite long that BF has changed from "some good information among much propaganda for his bosses (the White Dragon Families) and the White Hats (altogether serving the GF)" to "pure propaganda and bashing of anyone else" - especially including those who work on an actual liberation of Humanity and not just on getting them into a "nicer GF-controlled cage".

In other words: His content always needed plenty of discernment, but now he went overboard with the nonsense for my taste, meaning that I am not wasting time on this anymore. There still exist other sources for his reports, if you seek them.

I saw/listened to a great 'alt-news' truther Del Bigtree/The Highwire say he was 'politically marooned'.
I have to say; I'm 'reality marooned'.


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#17 2022-03-17 10:59:35

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

I dont do interviews, I am too busy with my own stuff. Literally.

No-fly zone wrote:

Gosia have you considered an interview with BF or Kim Goguen? It would help them expand their perspective I am sure about that. It would also bring you significant new following.

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#18 2022-03-19 22:33:17

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I actually talked with Kim a couple of days ago for over 1.5 hrs. I asked her about Ben F. and if his P2 guys would actually ever benefit us humans. She said that to get into his position you have to be tied to the Cabal to some extent. So basically she thinks he's worthless.
      if you watched her Kerry Cassidy interview a few days ago, Kim talks about some Et group the Targetians as being hooked to the AI and nefarious. I hadn't seen that interview by the time I talked with Kim. I asked her if she is aware of our Taygetans. She basically went sideways on the topic. I kept trying to pull her straight but to no avail. I had to drop it. I sent her assistant the transcripts links to give that feedback to Kim. We'll see.
      I consider it extremely important for Gosia to ask the Crew if they have ever contacted Kim. It would be best for this confusion on Kim's part to get sorted out. She probably considers me an idiot at this point for believing in y'all's work here.


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#19 2022-03-19 22:54:58

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

ChazSedona wrote:

if you watched her Kerry Cassidy interview a few days ago, Kim talks about some Et group the Targetians as being hooked to the AI and nefarious. I hadn't seen that interview by the time I talked with Kim. I asked her if she is aware of our Taygetans. She basically went sideways on the topic. I kept trying to pull her straight but to no avail. I had to drop it. I sent her assistant the transcripts links to give that feedback to Kim. We'll see.


I watched that interview with Cassidy, and I must admit that I almost jumped in the chair when Goguen said that. But then I realized that she had said "Pleiadians". And I couldn't hear the Taygetans were mentioned during the rest of the interview either. But they also lost much of my attention after that, so maybe they [edit: Cassidy/Goguen] have hopped on the band-wagon, maybe not... I don't know. I don't find this extraordinary at all, when realizing that very few in the alt-media ever distinguish between Pleiadians and Taygetans. Btw, Cassidy may be a fine investigator, but her insistence on coming out with her own reasoning, and often interrupting her guests while doing so, can make it a challenge to listen to her.


Edit:  However, Goguen definitely mentioned "Tall Whites" in the interview, which may be what we know here as "Malakak." These are not usually mentioned in very favorable terms in the Cosmic Agency material.


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#20 2022-03-20 01:30:41

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Gosia wrote:

I dont do interviews, I am too busy with my own stuff. Literally.

No-fly zone wrote:

Gosia have you considered an interview with BF or Kim Goguen? It would help them expand their perspective I am sure about that. It would also bring you significant new following.

Gosia, you did a recent interview with Jean Claude/ Beyond Mystic and I've seen a few others, so this is a weird response?


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#21 2022-03-20 01:44:30

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ChazSedona wrote:

I actually talked with Kim a couple of days ago for over 1.5 hrs. I asked her about Ben F. and if his P2 guys would actually ever benefit us humans. She said that to get into his position you have to be tied to the Cabal to some extent. So basically she thinks he's worthless.
      if you watched her Kerry Cassidy interview a few days ago, Kim talks about some Et group the Targetians as being hooked to the AI and nefarious. I hadn't seen that interview by the time I talked with Kim. I asked her if she is aware of our Taygetans. She basically went sideways on the topic. I kept trying to pull her straight but to no avail. I had to drop it. I sent her assistant the transcripts links to give that feedback to Kim. We'll see.
      I consider it extremely important for Gosia to ask the Crew if they have ever contacted Kim. It would be best for this confusion on Kim's part to get sorted out. She probably considers me an idiot at this point for believing in y'all's work here.

This has already been suggested (CA crew connecting with K.G.) and got a swift 'shut down' response. In all fairness, just because we the people want to see something there, doesn't mean that they must do it. The whole information stream here is voluntary and up to them to do or not.

I watched the interview too and besides KC not being able to shut up and hear an answer, it was informative. (I still like KC lol.) I like how KG pointed out that 'well meaning' truthers; grew an audience and then often were approached with 'deals' later on....Charlie Ward, Simon Parkes?? She pointed out that these types have grown an audience that follows and pretty much trusts them...so if they perhaps become compromised/corrupted with orders of; sending out MISinformation, the audience will continue to 'trust them' and their intel.....sheesh.

Like I said in another post; I'm reality marooned. (I never followed CW or SP other than a handful of vids, in 2020), but I am a truthseeker and have looked into countless clips/vids/sites/docu's, which has led me around in circles I must say, even with stellar intuition.


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#22 2022-03-20 04:36:10

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ChazSedona wrote:

I actually talked with Kim a couple of days ago for over 1.5 hrs. I asked her about Ben F. and if his P2 guys would actually ever benefit us humans. She said that to get into his position you have to be tied to the Cabal to some extent. So basically she thinks he's worthless.


When Fulford said that the Queen helped liberate many people, I told him bluntly that she was a puppet of cabal. There were many others who expressed doubt. In the next report he said the Queen was arrested for participating in satanic rituals. (Which doesn't mean she was really arrested). Now I told him the Vatican was a cabal too just like Rothschild. Are they going to arrest the Pope soon? Lol
He doesn't even know that the CIA works for the cabal too. They themselves tell him they knew from the beginning everything the elite were doing and did nothing to stop them. But I'll tell him that too.


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#23 2022-03-20 12:43:16

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

I dont do interviews where I AM INTERVIEWING people. I do get INTERVIEWED. Cheers.

Cosmic Sea wrote:
Gosia wrote:

I dont do interviews, I am too busy with my own stuff. Literally.

No-fly zone wrote:

Gosia have you considered an interview with BF or Kim Goguen? It would help them expand their perspective I am sure about that. It would also bring you significant new following.

Gosia, you did a recent interview with Jean Claude/ Beyond Mystic and I've seen a few others, so this is a weird response?

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#24 2022-03-20 15:20:44

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A Yes or No answer on this question please: " I consider it extremely important for Gosia to ask the Crew if they have ever contacted Kim. It would be best for this confusion on Kim's part to get sorted out."  Having a state of confusion on the part of Earth Ground Command regarding the Taygetans is not a good thing. And if Kim actually is the single person representing humanity as a whole (she refers to a Universal Council), then perhaps one message from her to the Federation could bring this nightmare to a screeching halt. 
      Gosia, please do what you can on this matter.


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#25 2022-03-20 15:30:37

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Re: Benjamin Fulford on Kim Goguen

ChazSedona wrote:

A Yes or No answer on this question please: " I consider it extremely important for Gosia to ask the Crew if they have ever contacted Kim.
      Gosia, please do what you can on this matter.

You have to just let this go and use your own discernment. Gosia has repeatedly made it clear that her mission is take her information and make videos, not to interview others. She is a messenger.

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