Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

SRMoonDog · 2022-04-19 17:39:48

Whats this all about?
https://youtu.be/KoHZg0kDjMM

Merri · 2022-04-19 18:30:46

As soon as the video starts playing, Cristina tries to hide her smile. that in itself says many things.

mitkobs · 2022-04-19 18:59:01

Are they been recruited to throw mud on the contact? Maybe they are paid to do so. People easily give up ideals for chunk of money.

ro2778 · 2022-04-19 19:09:59

I watched the whole thing, (at x1 speed for a change) and they are quite light on details. The most damning thing they say is that the pictures are fake, from porn stars (but this contact was never about the pictures!) and they talk about how in the private chat, events from their world were portrayed to contactees as though they were happening in the present, which were also given to other contactees many years ago in the same format (although this doesn't account for the different perception of time between us and Taygetans).

In general, there was a lot about how they feel, or felt and not really any details. Also they were generally on the offensive, attacking this contact in a subversive way. Saying it creates fear and dependency, that it creates devotion and adherence to their message. Saying that they were dismissive at points of disagreement, labelling it as cognitive dissonance and punishing their contactees with silence if they weren't, sort of, getting results or asking the right questions.

They talk about a lot of people requesting extraction and then at the last moment being ghosted.

They seemed to be genuinely hurt at being cut off, and I think were projecting and talking about themselves. They developed a dependence, perhaps they had tunnel vision of sorts and when things didn't go their way they experienced withdrawal. From the Taygetans perspective they probably just come across as more contactees that psychologically lost it, hence the need for Gosia and her mission.

There are likely elements of truth in what they say. It must be perfectly possible to get all your information, as a contactee or follower from Taygetan disclosure and to reject other sources that aren't on message. Or simply to not explore other sources, especially when so much time is consumed talking to them and making videos for them as PK and CA do or even following them as someone new with hundreds of videos to get through.

There's still a sense, of PK withholding details for a reason, like there is so much more to the story and it's too painful to talk about. But then, I also get the sense that they really believe what they are saying and think it's a fair warning, but who knows if it's all them, or if they are being played by others who are manipulating the situation.

I didn't "resonate" with many of their attacks, because one of this contact's clearest messages to followers, is read everything, and discern the truth for yourself & decide for yourself what to believe.

I can see it from the other side as well. The Taygetans have objectives and should be strategic. Maybe the photos aren't real, we already know they are manipulated. They probably have a large catalogue of what they talk about to contactees at different stages in the contact. Perhaps they do reduce the contact or cut people off when they feel the time spent communicating with certain contactees isn't productive. They are on a mission, they do have objectives and those objectives change.

Also, I agree and disagree that their metaphysical content is from old, hard to find ancient texts. It's true because advanced metaphysical content is eternal, so it should be present in old texts, which will always be hard to find considering Earth history! And it's false because such information can come directly from them, as people who understand those concepts and is then shared in their own words. I'm lucky from this perspective because I already read some advanced metaphysical material before coming to this disclosure (e.g., The School for Gods by Elio D'Anna - https://ufile.io/p3qh48hx), so on the metaphysical front, I've still not learnt much from this contact, beyond what I've learnt from elsewhere. So again, I disagree with the girls analysis, that they have some embargo on true information, as that's not my experience and although I can see why that might happen, it doesn't have to be the case. That's up to each individual.

In conclusion I don't think this video changes anything for me, but it certainly is a clever attack and will no doubt create a headache for Gosia and the Taygetans. Poor them, but the Earth will keep spinning and life will go on.

Last edited by ro2778 (2022-04-19 19:53:42)

07wideeyes · 2022-04-19 22:18:48

Yes, I watched the video, very much in the spirit of checking out all angles on things. I'd echo what ro2778 says - 'I don't think this video changes anything for me...'

They seem to go in for broad generalisations and abstractions, which I find a bit suspicious. By being specific, giving concrete examples, they could deal a killer blow to the Taygetan disclosure, as they call it. But they don't. An example: they claim that some of the photos are based on porn actresses. OK, but who? If they gave us names, 5 minutes on pornhub is all it would take to debunk the photos completely. However, they don't, so the claim has zero credibility.

They also refer many times to 'the movement'. Maybe something's lost in translation, I don't know. But I know what being in a 'movement' is, as the Buddhist group I was once associated with consciously styled itself as such. Cosmic Agency is completely different. A movement is 'organised', while CA is simply a bunch of generally excellent folk who sometimes agree, sometimes disagree, but who have zero 'organisation' as such. A movement typically has an evangelical tone to it, or at least is keen on 'conversion'. Once more, this ain't Cosmic Agency, which is a loosely-associated community, if I wish to characterise it.

naringas · 2022-04-19 22:45:30

I do have a suspicion that taygetians if they're physically present here (like they claim to be) are on a mission to settle down on earth...

so they're going along a depopulation agenda to make some room for themselves (but the earth also needs this, there are too many beings here already and also considering incoming groups like them taygetians)

And they aren't the only new settles, over the ages lots of different 'trascended beings' have come here and have settled.

but nodoby is getting kicked out. so many are due to leave anyways.

Robert369 · 2022-04-19 23:03:05

naringas wrote:

I do have a suspicion that taygetians if they're physically present here (like they claim to be) are on a mission to settle down on earth...
so they're going along a depopulation agenda to make some room for themselves (but the earth also needs this, there are too many beings here already and also considering incoming groups like them taygetians)
And they aren't the only new settles, over the ages lots of different 'trascended beings' have come here and have settled.
but nodoby is getting kicked out. so many are due to leave anyways.

Sounds like you listened to yet another disinformation about the messenger instead of at the message, because if that would be true they wouldn't empower people and show them the path to a holistic society.

If you actually have gone through their content, you'd know that they have enough barely used home planets, so they truly have no need to "expand" nor is that their intention - which they also clearly stated somewhere. This doesn't mean that Taygetans havn't settled on Earth in the past for various strategic purposes, but not to take over the planet or the like.

Not that they couldn't quite quickly fix up the mess of a planet that was caused by the GF and Regressives on Earth, and that is what they have indirectly offered, but Humanity simply isn't ready for it but firstly requires to grow out of the programmings and indoctrinations. To which learning about discernment and not constantly falling for Cabal traps like what you described would be the start...

Yet, if you truly believe this nonsense, why are you even here ? Because you make it sound like our Taygetan friends are a selfish and not working for but against Humanity. Which raises the question what you are doing for Humanity then ?

Last edited by Robert369 (2022-04-19 23:04:36)

Robert369 · 2022-04-19 23:43:47

Tent wrote:

Robert369 wrote:
Not that they couldn't quite quickly fix up the mess of a planet that was caused by the GF and Regressives on Earth
Is there any special reason why you blame GF for things for which Taygetans have the same responsibility as they were fully alligned with GF untill 2018? Sounds a bit unfair and hypocritical do not you think?

Yes, there is quite some reason for that - please check the Taygetan content to understand, though to my understanding "fully aligned" hasn't been true for the Taygetans for way longer, especially since time is not linear and the establishment of Earth contacts is not the start of it.

I will elaborate some of it below:

The GF is responsible and asked every participant for assistance in the creation of the 3D Matrix, and this using deception about the real purposes of the 3D Matrix: Creating a low frequency environment in which entities that otherwise couldn't find host suitable bodies to inhabit, by that creating sort of a "home world" for them.

The ones who planned all this knew how to sell this concept to the GF members and make them create it, but that doesn't make everyone who participated in it guilty - until they have been shown what they did. After which point they can either correct their stance (like the Taygetans did) or continue the madness despite knowing how destructive it is (usually via self-lies to justify themselves) - and by that technically become criminals. Also, not that there are no "innocent bystanders" as some GF member races claim to be while watching the ongoings (e.g. the genocides or the cooperation with Regressives).

Running the 3D Matrix show on Earth for millennia and preventing through lies and deception (both towards Earth and towards the GF superiors and member races), and even violence towards those who might come close to Earth to see what they are truly doing here is criminal in itself and not worthy a "holographic system" but clearly is a regressive "pyramidal system".

And anyone continuing assisting this after having been presented the facts makes those who have learnt what's going on and still continue the 3D Matrix guilty. But not the ones who finally understood and then take countermeasures.

Otherwise all of Humanity would be "guilty of supporting the Cabals in their oppression and genocide", because technically that's what every tax payer, customer of Cabal industries, etc. actively does. But this measure can only be applied after one learns what is being played on Earth, after which it is important to decide how to continue. In regards to tax paying that obviously is tricky, but the least one can do is to do more against the Cabals than supporting them - if one decides so. If not and one continues as before being in the know, one's action become questionable, because one then knowingly complies.

This being said, if you are here to find friends of the GF who are running one genocide after another in cooperation with Regressives while preventing Humanity from ever growing out of the artificial 3D Matrix boundaries, you might be in the wrong place.

As for our Taygetan friends: The clearly have understood that they were used in the creation of all this via deception and lies, and now wish to help solve the problem. Though, for obvious reasons Humanity needs to rid itself from the mind-control - for which the given information helps if being open-minded and willing to listen to it.

Kahi Harawira · 2022-04-20 00:40:29

Tent wrote:

Please stop imposing your own beliefs here on anyone, avoid these cabal tactics in place where truth seekers meet and look for truths.

I listened to the story of Gosia's life growing up as a child.

In my opinion, she was a child who grew up detached from the reality around her that could easily be viewed as fantasy. The result of this was a complete lack of attachment to what was being portrayed around her as reality or what reality should be.

Her life long personal search for truth has also made her an ideal candidate to be a contactee.

Personal attachments to what is real and what is not, governs perceptions to what is wrong or right. I can agree with what the PK girls have said by accepting that their personal perceptions on what they consider wrong or right, also governed how they view what is real and what is not.

Of course extraction is possible and it would be a little disappointing if one was to tell many others to come to be extracted, only to find it doesn't happen. There would be little point being here to learn anything, if altering the contract was as easy as hopping on a bus and going to another destination. Or coming back to retrieve other loved ones, and they retrieving theirs, and so on. A dependency syndrome.

There are more simplistic ways of getting off this planet than just extraction. It is immeasurably better to die in the fight rather than running away as fast as you can from what you might fear. Nothing can touch us but our own fears.

I take this attempt to discredit as a compliment. A recognition as to the true threat CA poses to the Cabal. Normal as. So the trolls come to try and destroy credibility, trolls who think they can hide behind free speech with nice new age phrases with which to carry their Demons poison.

There is nothing to defend, the attack speaks for itself. Each has their own choice and if you don't like it here, don't slam the door on your way out.

naringas · 2022-04-20 03:10:12

Robert369 wrote:

naringas wrote:
I do have a suspicion that taygetians if they're physically present here (like they claim to be) are on a mission to settle down on earth...
so they're going along a depopulation agenda to make some room for themselves (but the earth also needs this, there are too many beings here already and also considering incoming groups like them taygetians)
And they aren't the only new settles, over the ages lots of different 'trascended beings' have come here and have settled.
but nodoby is getting kicked out. so many are due to leave anyways.
Sounds like you listened to yet another disinformation about the messenger instead of at the message, because if that would be true they wouldn't empower people and show them the path to a holistic society.
If you actually have gone through their content, you'd know that they have enough barely used home planets, so they truly have no need to "expand" nor is that their intention - which they also clearly stated somewhere. This doesn't mean that Taygetans havn't settled on Earth in the past for various strategic purposes, but not to take over the planet or the like.
Not that they couldn't quite quickly fix up the mess of a planet that was caused by the GF and Regressives on Earth, and that is what they have indirectly offered, but Humanity simply isn't ready for it but firstly requires to grow out of the programmings and indoctrinations. To which learning about discernment and not constantly falling for Cabal traps like what you described would be the start...
Yet, if you truly believe this nonsense, why are you even here ? Because you make it sound like our Taygetan friends are a selfish and not working for but against Humanity. Which raises the question what you are doing for Humanity then ?

"Not that they couldn't quite quickly fix up the mess of a planet that was caused by the GF and Regressives on Earth," this would cause more problems that it would solve, if they do that they'd be doing the same thing them who they perceive as regressives are doing.

The issues are not as simple as "Cabal (and/or regressives) bad; tays and holistics good". I do have a strong sensation that someones are harvesting energy from some interactions in this forum (even in this thread). those energies are certainly not wasted.

If Teygetans are not doing this even in part for their own interest then that raises a red flag for me. the "partially" qualifier is very important, surely their own path (and their own needs/intentions) align with our human ones somewhat hence they're here.

As I understand (which seems like a never ending work in progress), the energy dynamics are what this all revolves around. Maybe the Taygetians aren't here for the literal "real state" but then this just increases my suspicions that they're all about muli-layer (layers as I use the term are resembling of densities) dynamics for energy extraction (though they seem to prefer to see this as energy creation; in which case I may say "harvest" instead of "extraction").

"Which raises the question what you are doing for Humanity then ?" I posted this in some other part of the forum... something about me fixing (and/or healing) myself? putting myself back together from scraps? something like that...

Tigerhawk · 2022-04-20 04:43:50

I took the time to watch the video and listen to what they had to say, and this does not move the needle for me. This has the same feel to me of someone who went through a bad breakup and is badmouthing their ex after the fact to feel vindicated. If they're upset that they got cut off then it's easier for them to feel at peace with it if they convince themselves that it was never real to begin with. When they were still actively in contact they obviously felt strongly enough about it keep making videos for two different YouTube channels.

Yes, we know the pictures are photoshopped. We were told that from the beginning and why. If they really are just porn actresses, then don't tell us, show us.

mitkobs · 2022-04-20 05:06:16

Pictures are not important. Proving of existence is not important. Liberation from higher power is not important. People concentrate on superficial things instead on concentrating on the essential - the information given which speaks for itself volumes. I can suggest to the crew to remove their pictures from the site. Let's remember why we are here, everything is about the message and the information that have liberating power.

RoadtoSamadhi · 2022-04-20 07:09:10

These girls are really butthurt the Taygeteans have enough OPERATIONAL SECURITY OPSEC skills to copy paste what happened in their day to the contactees in the same repeated fashion to other contactlees in order to evade their enemies possible attack vectors.

Last edited by RoadtoSamadhi (2022-04-20 07:31:26)

Dablin · 2022-04-20 08:25:55

mitkobs wrote:

Pictures are not important. Proving of existence is not important. Liberation from higher power is not important. People concentrate on superficial things instead on concentrating on the essential - the information given which speaks for itself volumes. I can suggest to the crew to remove their pictures from the site. Let's remember why we are here, everything is about the message and the information that have liberating power.

Precisely. I've always been more attracted to the message then the messenger in this case at any rate. Not to say the idea of the Taygetans isn't remarkable in itself; I just admittingly feel a little off-balance when trying to follow multiple instances of Swaruu for example. Feels like something I can only take at face value as I have no other local construct here on earth to even relate too to account for such a possibility.

Personally, I do hope the Taygetan back story is true; but if at the end of the day it ends up as some guise to release otherwise true and powerful secret information to the general public under the pretense of a supposidly alien contact then I guess that is the best we can really achieve. Short of an actual personal contact with the Taygetans such things can only be held in faith at the end of the day anyway. For me its all just words on the internet; I have to make my own judgement accordingly.

The PK video did though rightly emphasise the need for self-judgement and not to take anything and anyone at face value; a philosophy I follow anyway and have for years. I was disappointed that their accusations came without any form of evidence to back them up. Even a link to the porn-star images they referred to as the source of the Taygetan photos would have been quite a powerful revelation. It would have definitely opened up the Taygetan source to a degree of explanation. But at this point, their claims hold little weight due to any lack of evidence to backup their accusations about the nature of the Taygetans and their contact. Its all left to self-judgement, which is where most of us are anyway. Their video seems to be primarily about their own personal judgements on their view of the Taygetan situation; whether right or wrong their statements are too subjective for me.

If in the future they can back up what they state with some actual objective evidence I'll consider it. I'll always remain open to all possibilities and act accordingly. No one can expect anything else from me.

Last edited by Dablin (2022-04-20 08:27:25)

mitkobs · 2022-04-20 10:13:08

The message, the information is all about. The prove is in the information. Same with people who want to have prove for God or Source. Look around, look nature, look your body, realize the insane complexity of it. There you go.
Cabal can manifacture souless clones that look like other real people and ET's. They can make them participate in degrading activities like porn. If there are such clones that look similar that do not prove anything.

07wideeyes · 2022-04-20 11:48:17

mitkobs wrote:

The message, the information is all about. The prove is in the information. Same with people who want to have prove for God or Source. Look around, look nature, look your body, realize the insane complexity of it. There you go.
Cabal can manifacture souless clones that look like other real people and ET's. They can make them participate in degrading activities like porn. If there are such clones that look similar that do not prove anything.

Yes indeed, mitkobs. You cannot 'prove' Source in the way that some people want. Or, if the logic exists, it won't have a deep effect on people. the proof is in the direct experience, the knowing. And you are right about the clones too. If there were porn actresses who looked like Taygetans, it would prove nothing. Maybe they are the copy-cats, jealous of the natural beauty of the beings from elsewhere...

Azirael Alcyone · 2022-04-20 15:11:28

PK presented claims, but not evidence.

I have been able to confirm some bits of CA information through personal real life (not online) contact, and basically in real time. I’m not gonna go to details here, but it has been info that I have not seen anywhere else. Thus I don’t agree when they say this is old information.

Tigerhawk · 2022-04-20 16:18:12

Azirael Alcyone wrote:

PK presented claims, but not evidence.

Exactly my thoughts when I watched it. It's easy to make accusations. If they're really exposing a fraud then why do they have no evidence to back up their claims?

I also find it very telling that they turned off the comments to the video. They didn't do that on their other videos. They want to make attacks and not give anyone the chance to respond? That's what cowards do.

Last edited by Tigerhawk (2022-04-20 16:18:32)

Robert369 · 2022-04-20 16:21:14

Tigerhawk wrote:

They want to make attacks and not give anyone the chance to respond? That's what cowards do.

...and liars or propagandists.

Temporal_Agency · 2022-04-20 17:13:58

I sincerely appreciate the forum, the content and the contributors. We as Earth-tethered Souls are here to make a difference, and the videos and words from up above are informative, like nothing else, and severely underappreciated. Learn to practice discernment, weed out the drama-seekers from all sides of the narrative.

Do not take my word for it, but the ship is real, the crew is real, and the haters and naysayers are either paid or mind-controlled distractions. We should not feed the trolls, and not let their distraction take away from the core message and messages from Gosia and her space bound team. We all appreciate you, don't be discouraged and thank you.
___
C & E: Help, please take me out of this Earth!?!?
Tays : No.
C & E: They are fake! The couldn't fulfill their promise to kill my Earth body, so fake.
___
The fact you came here to Troll directly after a C and E post from the grave shows you have no interest in the content of this forum, or the members. Your first post is incendiary and you stir the pot.

Please go over to the C and E forums (oh wait, they don't have any) and continue to sing the praises of their virtue.
___
Tent User activity

Posts 13 -
Last post Today 08:27:03
Registered 2022-04-17

DanielJames · 2022-04-20 17:32:11

It must be very frustrating for our Robert and Gosia to deal with these smear campaigns all the time, They are both good people and I know they mean well.

I can tell you that Those girls issuing this statement at the SAME time as Gosias YT channel getting a 7 day ban comes at suspicious timing, as if its all an orchestrated attack.

Now As the voice over guy, I am often asked questions I do not know how to answer because Im not on the inside, I just provide the voice overs
and one question people are asking me now is: "Why did the face/girl of Athena Totally change at one point"? As in, The face listed as Athena on the website and in previous graphics is one girl and the face of Athena in NEWER videos is a totally different person?

I do not have any answers.. Im sure Robert and Gosia have their hands full with this drama but maybe they can explain at a later time.

Like ANY source of information, take what resonates with you and leave the rest, if you find the information given valuable to you, thats all that matters for each of us as individuals.

Last edited by DanielJames (2022-04-20 18:01:11)

PinkChopper · 2022-04-20 19:31:51

mitkobs wrote:

The message, the information is all about. The prove is in the information. Same with people who want to have prove for God or Source. Look around, look nature, look your body, realize the insane complexity of it. There you go.
Cabal can manifacture souless clones that look like other real people and ET's. They can make them participate in degrading activities like porn. If there are such clones that look similar that do not prove anything.

I was looking for the exact comment made by Swaruu which basically states what you mention above. Taken from the transcript Extraterrestrial Races: Introduction (Swaruu - Extraterrestrial Pleiadian Communication) she responds to Gosia's question:

Gosia: Are there Nordics like you all, but negative?
Swaruu: Yes of course there are, but there are also many artificial clones made to appear like us and they are not us, for negative agendas.

Wolfsan1983 · 2022-04-20 21:16:19

I am so grateful to the Taygetans, Gosia and Robert for their hard work. I believe and love them wholeheartedly. The doodle video is a buzz of flies for me. Take care of your sparkle.

DarkOwl · 2022-04-20 22:16:32

Tent wrote:

Unrest is caused by those who claim "PK girls lie" and provide no evidence of it.
Idk if they lie or not. I am waiting to see evidence.

The burden of proof is on the PK girls, not us!
They are the ones making bold claims with no proof (even though they claim to have seen or have, said proofs)
And there was no indication of follow up videos to provide such proofs.
You're not the only one "waiting to see evidence".
A title like "THE BIGGEST SCAM IN THE WORLD OF ET CONTACTS" is a bold and sensational claim which requires bold and sensational evidence.
So far all we have are obvious hurt feelings and a somewhat childish lashing out in response.

DanielJames · 2022-04-20 22:28:57

Wolfsan1983 wrote:

I am so grateful to the Taygetans, Gosia and Robert for their hard work. I believe and love them wholeheartedly. The doodle video is a buzz of flies for me. Take care of your sparkle.

I Love this, "Protect your sparkle", Im keeping this!

#1 2022-04-19 17:39:48

Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#2 2022-04-19 18:30:46

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#3 2022-04-19 18:59:01

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#4 2022-04-19 19:09:59

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#5 2022-04-19 22:18:48

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#6 2022-04-19 22:45:30

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#7 2022-04-19 23:03:05

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#8 2022-04-19 23:43:47

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#9 2022-04-20 00:40:29

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#10 2022-04-20 03:10:12

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#11 2022-04-20 04:43:50

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#12 2022-04-20 05:06:16

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#13 2022-04-20 07:09:10

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#14 2022-04-20 08:25:55

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#15 2022-04-20 10:13:08

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#16 2022-04-20 11:48:17

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#17 2022-04-20 15:11:28

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#18 2022-04-20 16:18:12

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#19 2022-04-20 16:21:14

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#20 2022-04-20 17:13:58

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#21 2022-04-20 17:32:11

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#22 2022-04-20 19:31:51

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#23 2022-04-20 21:16:19

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#24 2022-04-20 22:16:32

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

#25 2022-04-20 22:28:57

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

Board footer