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#26 2022-04-20 22:57:12

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

DanielJames wrote:

I can tell you that Those girls issuing this statement at the SAME time as Gosias YT channel getting a 7 day ban comes at suspicious timing, as if its all an orchestrated attack.

Ya know, I had the same thought today. First the Kim Goguen situation, now the PK girls attack at a time where Gosia has a 7-day ban and can't respond. Seems convenient.

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#27 2022-04-20 22:58:37

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

DarkOwl wrote:
Tent wrote:

Unrest is caused by those who claim "PK girls lie" and provide no evidence of it.
Idk if they lie or not. I am waiting to see evidence.

The burden of proof is on the PK girls, not us!

Exactly. The burden of proof is always on the accuser.

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#28 2022-04-21 01:02:44

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If anything, PK's video made me trust in CA and the Taygetans even more. Everything they were saying were just emotions that sounded like they were resentful that they got cut off. When they tried to show "facts" like that the pictures were "Photoshopped"... I mean Gosia literally said they were manipulated to get around the censors. We know they are not 100% real because the Feds won't let them post them. Additionally, they talked about other contractees being given copy/pasted essays...again.. so? The Tay's must spend hours researching topics and writing them out ever so eloquently out for us behind the scenes. It doesn't surprise me at all they may send out the same information to multiple people.

It sounded like the Taygetans may have told them they were in a state of cognitive dissonance about what was happening and they perfectly demonstrated that they are with their attitude.  This really just sounded like someone who was in a toxic relationship and got dumped and now they're badmouthing the other party just to spite them.

I really hope things like this don't stress out Gosia and the Taygetans too much. For the few who criticize and attack them, there are so many more who benefit greatly from their information and teachings.

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#29 2022-04-21 03:49:15

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

Pymander wrote:

If anything, PK's video made me trust in CA and the Taygetans even more. Everything they were saying were just emotions that sounded like they were resentful that they got cut off. When they tried to show "facts" like that the pictures were "Photoshopped"... I mean Gosia literally said they were manipulated to get around the censors. We know they are not 100% real because the Feds won't let them post them. Additionally, they talked about other contractees being given copy/pasted essays...again.. so? The Tay's must spend hours researching topics and writing them out ever so eloquently out for us behind the scenes. It doesn't surprise me at all they may send out the same information to multiple people.

It sounded like the Taygetans may have told them they were in a state of cognitive dissonance about what was happening and they perfectly demonstrated that they are with their attitude.  This really just sounded like someone who was in a toxic relationship and got dumped and now they're badmouthing the other party just to spite them.

I really hope things like this don't stress out Gosia and the Taygetans too much. For the few who criticize and attack them, there are so many more who benefit greatly from their information and teachings.


I second these, Pymander. Thanks for ALL and ALL of YOU !


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#30 2022-04-21 04:12:34

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

Still processing all this myself and reserving judgment, but it IS true that many people on this forum have gotten to the point where they consider virtually every single being and group except for the Taygetans to be either

a) so low-frequency and asleep that they're irrelevant

or

b) directly or indirectly involved in unconscionable planetary enslavement and abuse

...leaving the Taygetans as not only the one supreme source of truth, but the one unquestionable source of ethics/goodness.

As for the dependency thing, I did notice in myself when I first got into this content, that I was filtering pretty much everything I believed about the world through the Taygetan lens, quoting Taygetan ideas to my friends as if I had gotten access to the one unblemished truth-bomb.


^ This is me "giving the devil his due", don't flame me pls. Still very much value this forum, its members, Gosia and Robert's selfless efforts, the astounding  information we get, etc. etc. But there is at least some truth in what those women were saying, if only because certain issues naturally crop up in a human organization of whatever type


All that said, in general their whole video could maybe be explained by them being salty and wanting to do the "I broke up with you; you didn't break up with me" thing, some of what they said didn't make sense, and biggest thing for me is... what the heck would be the motivation to put all this work into faking allll this when no big money seems to be flowing from it? I mean, people will do a lot for a power trip, but man this would have to be one hell of a committed fraudster working overtime for years on end.


Last edit: I guess I was somewhat primed for taking a smear vid like this seriously because a couple Taygetan claims have not lined up with my experience. For instance, before 2020 I had never heard of anyone completely losing their smell from a cold/flu/whatever. Then when the pandemic happened, I knew of and heard of many people with this symptom, including my own sister and her boyfriend. So at the very least it seems like at the same time plandemic happened, a new pathogen or at least a new syndrome emerged. And anyway, if cabal aims for total belief in the plandemic, why not use one of the pathogens that they're manufacturing anyway, on top of the propaganda campaign?

Idk. The Law of Confusion has its charms though doesn't it?

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#31 2022-04-21 07:15:42

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

Gosia responding to Telegram posts today.

I can't talk about their personal issues in detail because they are not mine to tell, plus it goes really really deep, hence I doubt Estella will ever explain more. You must understand that the contact is one thing, and contact with information for the public is another. None of us has any obligation to talk about personal stuff going on behind. It would be like you going to university and then finding out the teacher is being kicked out of there for a variety of personal reasons that have nothing to do with him as a teacher. You wouldn't be entitled to know more. The problem is they made their personal issues entangled with the project itself and that is unexcusable. But it just confirms why they were cut off in the first place. Taygetans simple realized the incompatibility, and on variety of different levels. We must move on.

You don't know the reasons so you cannot judge that decision. I know the reasons and they are more than valid. Taygetans have the right not to want to take anyone into their civilization if that someone doesn't meet the criteria, on all different levels, from personal to more official ones. It is their world. The same way as any bar reserves the right to throw out their clients once they become disruptive. So you cannot say anything along the lines of expecting more or less from the Taygetans if you don't know the situation. And what pisses me off about PK girls, they throw the mud on the Taygetans without the public ever knowing it all. And they won't know more as the subject is way too sensitive for Estela. So the public is left with half stories and speculations. None of this should have ever been brought to light if you are not willing to tell everything. If you can't, better be quiet and don't smear someone's name and work out of personal grudge.

And if the Ts were as they portray them, why did they want so desperately to be extracted to join them? Why publish their material up to 6 months after they were cut off? Because they were still monetizing it, that's why. Why still have their material on their channel now? Ah wait yes, because they are still monetizing it. Why want to go so bad on their ship if we are all nothing but a cult? They know it's not, and they know what they do is out of spite. You are right, this is a headache for me and for us because I believe wholeheartedly in this work and we did so much to support the girls, but as I said above, I have too much great stuff to share with you to make that headache something that could ever overshadow our will to go on.

People can expect what they want that's correct, and that's  precisely when things go sour sometimes with the certain contactees. They start to expect things. Even assume things are owed to them for whatever reason. In each situation, especially to do with extraterrestrial people, however, there is so much more to understand, to include in the picture, and they, the contactees, very often lose that out of sight. I, for one, have no expectations from my team and I am aware everything can change at any point. There are things going on behind that even I am not aware of, so if anything suddenly changed for our contact, I would take it as that. That things happened beyond my scope of understanding at this point. I wouldn't just turn against them. Never.

They might want extraction as it might be in their soul contract so to speak. To come here as a human, do the task, and go back to where they came from. Their assignment is not to stay here for the duration. There are many personal reasons like this. In order to understand extraction of this kind we should look at going there as going to another country. I was born in Poland for example but it doesn't mean I am supposed to stay there forever. Same here, another country, another planet. No big deal and it's a personal life choice.


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#32 2022-04-21 08:13:13

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

I highly doubt that AI chatbot was capable of manifesting telepathic communication, craft from Pleiadian races in the skies and visible intergalactic entities in front of you, through which some of the details of the T information has been validated to myself and others. I also have hard time believing that there was some secret organization which would be willing to go to such lengths distracting low profile ordinary working class starseeds like myself who are not interested in influencing any audiences or sharing evidence. Unless someone can give plausible explanation for this, I don’t consider that video in question holds any value.

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#33 2022-04-21 09:23:30

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Wow. Everything is so ... perfect! And insidious! Congratulations girls. PK girls posted their "We end with the Taygetean Disclosure" announcement SINCE November 29th, 2021 and it is ONLY for now (after 4.5 months) when they reveal the entire reasons smile What a smart move! Isn't it because Youtube have just stopped Gosia from posting anything on Cosmic Agency for one week since it deleted the "Zombification" video? Those monsters only wish for a chance like this.


@M, you haven't read all the transtripts, have you? 5G towers and graphene and 2020's vaccinees' bodies are the source of those "virus" and this technology is at Galactic level (Fede*censored*ion level smile ).
https://swaruu.org/transcripts/new-anal … e-findings
Plus: They always update their information, which means you should have a re-check on all the related transcripts.

microvirus6 wrote:

Last edit: I guess I was somewhat primed for taking a smear vid like this seriously because a couple Taygetan claims have not lined up with my experience. For instance, before 2020 I had never heard of anyone completely losing their smell from a cold/flu/whatever. Then when the pandemic happened, I knew of and heard of many people with this symptom, including my own sister and her boyfriend. So at the very least it seems like at the same time plandemic happened, a new pathogen or at least a new syndrome emerged. And anyway, if cabal aims for total belief in the plandemic, why not use one of the pathogens that they're manufacturing anyway, on top of the propaganda campaign?

P/s: "Porn actresses"? WTF is that? Are they, PK girls, stuck in some poor beliefs that all the humans have pigs' brains inside their heads?


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#34 2022-04-21 10:58:49

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

What is it about? Revenge for not being extracted, and personal dramas. No more, no less.

SRMoonDog wrote:

Whats this all about?
https://youtu.be/KoHZg0kDjMM

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#35 2022-04-21 10:59:53

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They had their reasons.  Girls are NOT compatible with the extraction. As their current action only prove.

Tent wrote:

Why did not Taygetans extract PK girls if it was agreed?

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#36 2022-04-21 11:01:21

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

LOL. Sorry, NOT the case. Wouldnt even know where to start to respond to this.

naringas wrote:

I do have a suspicion that taygetians if they're physically present here (like they claim to be) are on a mission to settle down on earth...

so they're going along a depopulation agenda to make some room for themselves (but the earth also needs this, there are too many beings here already and also considering incoming groups like them taygetians)

And they aren't the only new settles, over the ages lots of different 'trascended beings' have come here and have settled.

but nodoby is getting kicked out. so many are due to leave anyways.

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#37 2022-04-21 11:06:32

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

The pictures we provided recently are barely touched, only a few, and not erasing the essence of the person. And most pictures of Athena and recent ones of Yazhi are completely them. The slight filters on some others were only applied to mislead the Federation AI.  Athena Swaruu is exactly as in the photos. Thats her. And she is not a porn actress LOL period.

And let me use this situation to demonstrate the point I tried to convey already years ago: as soon as we provide photos, controversies will begin. Accusations of them being fake, porn dancers, CGIs, and who know what else. Thats why providing the photos is a delicate matter and to be honest, does seeing their photos really prove anything? If Athena shared her photos, its to get closer to the people, so they can put a face to the information, but as you can see... is it really worth it? Do you understand now why none of us wanted to share photos before?

Tigerhawk wrote:

I took the time to watch the video and listen to what they had to say, and this does not move the needle for me. This has the same feel to me of someone who went through a bad breakup and is badmouthing their ex after the fact to feel vindicated. If they're upset that they got cut off then it's easier for them to feel at peace with it if they convince themselves that it was never real to begin with. When they were still actively in contact they obviously felt strongly enough about it keep making videos for two different YouTube channels.

Yes, we know the pictures are photoshopped. We were told that from the beginning and why. If they really are just porn actresses, then don't tell us, show us.

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#38 2022-04-21 11:14:00

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

The face never changed, Daniel. Its exactly the same person. What do they mean its a different face? She might have different angles, different poses, depending on the make up, hair, lightning, but in all the photos it is HER. You are the actor, you know how easy it is to make yourself look different depending on many factors. And by the way, THANK YOU for all your help these years and support! You rock! smile

DanielJames wrote:

It must be very frustrating for our Robert and Gosia to deal with these smear campaigns all the time, They are both good people and I know they mean well.

I can tell you that Those girls issuing this statement at the SAME time as Gosias YT channel getting a 7 day ban comes at suspicious timing, as if its all an orchestrated attack.

Now As the voice over guy, I am often asked questions I do not know how to answer because Im not on the inside, I just provide the voice overs
and one question people are asking me now is: "Why did the face/girl of Athena Totally change at one point"? As in, The face listed as Athena on the website and in previous graphics is one girl and the face of Athena in NEWER videos is a totally different person?

I do not have any answers.. Im sure Robert and Gosia have their hands full with this drama but maybe they can explain at a later time.

Like ANY source of information, take what resonates with you and leave the rest, if you find the information given valuable to you, thats all that matters for each of us as individuals.

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#39 2022-04-21 11:16:42

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

And thats a whole another can of worms yes! Sometimes when the Cabal knows what they look like, they throw in the clones to the mix to further discredit then. Not the case here though. At least not yet, as fas as I know!

PinkChopper wrote:
mitkobs wrote:

The message, the information is all about. The prove is in the information. Same with people who want to have prove for God or Source. Look around, look nature, look your body, realize the insane complexity of it. There you go.
Cabal can manifacture souless clones that look like other real people and ET's. They can make them participate in degrading activities like porn. If there are such clones that look similar that do not prove anything.


I was looking for the exact comment made by Swaruu which basically states what you mention above. Taken from the transcript Extraterrestrial Races: Introduction (Swaruu - Extraterrestrial Pleiadian Communication) she responds to Gosia's question:

Gosia: Are there Nordics like you all, but negative?
Swaruu: Yes of course there are, but there are also many artificial clones made to appear like us and they are not us, for negative agendas.

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#40 2022-04-21 11:24:09

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Brrr.... so much drama lol. I need my Youtube ban off so I can go with my work. And thank you, the Matrix, for attacking so much. It means we are shaking the boat. Bring it on! big_smile (headaches aside)

Blue_Queen wrote:

This is related. Alfred Webre comments on the latest PK video https://newsinsideout.com/2022/04/swaru … bremont-w/
He keeps saying Gosia deals with AI which I really doubt.

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#41 2022-04-21 11:31:15

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

Blue_Queen wrote:

This is related. Alfred Webre comments on the latest PK video https://newsinsideout.com/2022/04/swaru … bremont-w/
He keeps saying Gosia deals with AI which I really doubt.

Alfred calls himself a lawyer and uses language like this:

Vancouver, BC – In a 28:40 Pleiadian Knowledge video statement released April 19, 2022, two former inside members of Swaruu.org, shared their “experience with the movement called Taygetean Disclosure”. and in the process exposed “Commander in Chief Swaruu” and the alleged “Taygetan ET” contact cult as a “fraud and scam”, providing extensive first-hand evidence in their recorded statement in Spanish with English translations.

Even Luk (aka Tent) has said in this thread he's waiting for evidence from the PK girls. Did Alfred watch a different video?!

It was Alfred Webre who insisted on describing this contact as 'channeled' when it's been made more than clear (at the start of every video) it's not!

Describing him as sloppy would be me being generous hmm
A lawyer... lol


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#42 2022-04-21 11:34:25

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Plus, what Swaruu is he referring to? Swaruu Alfred talked to is dead. Athena Swaruu? She is not a Commander in Chief lol.Yes, he is slipping... that would never fly at court him being a lawyer. It all just start to amuse me. Damn Youtube ban, I need to get back to work and not waste time anymore. big_smile

DarkOwl wrote:
Blue_Queen wrote:

This is related. Alfred Webre comments on the latest PK video https://newsinsideout.com/2022/04/swaru … bremont-w/
He keeps saying Gosia deals with AI which I really doubt.

Alfred calls himself a lawyer and uses language like this:

Vancouver, BC – In a 28:40 Pleiadian Knowledge video statement released April 19, 2022, two former inside members of Swaruu.org, shared their “experience with the movement called Taygetean Disclosure”. and in the process exposed “Commander in Chief Swaruu” and the alleged “Taygetan ET” contact cult as a “fraud and scam”, providing extensive first-hand evidence in their recorded statement in Spanish with English translations.

Even Luk (aka Tent) has said in this thread he's waiting for evidence from the PK girls. Did Alfred watch a different video?!

It was Alfred Webre who insisted on describing this contact as 'channeled' when it's been made more than clear (at the start of every video) it's not!

Describing him as sloppy would be me being generous hmm
A lawyer... lol

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#43 2022-04-21 11:43:23

Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

Couldn't you Gosia just abandon YouTube completely and move to Odysee? If you keep mentioning Jews there's no way your channel will last for long...

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#44 2022-04-21 11:53:13

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No, I cant do that as Youtube is a prime platform where the reach is the biggest. I dont have anything about the Jews anymore. I dont even know why they eliminated that video exactly.

Kosminen Seikkailija wrote:

Couldn't you Gosia just abandon YouTube completely and move to Odysee? If you keep mentioning Jews there's no way your channel will last for long...

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#45 2022-04-21 11:55:05

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

Kosminen Seikkailija wrote:

Couldn't you Gosia just abandon YouTube completely and move to Odysee? If you keep mentioning Jews there's no way your channel will last for long...

YouTube serves its purpose to reach many people who are not yet using other platforms, and the goal is to reach as many people as possible. Sure it is inconvenient to circumvent the limitations, but as long as a Cabal tool can be used against them, why not ?


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#46 2022-04-21 12:15:56

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Gosia wrote:

I dont even know why they eliminated that video exactly.

Well, because you mentioned Jews and they happen to own Youtube/Google along with the rest of the MSM.

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#47 2022-04-21 12:29:12

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

Kosminen Seikkailija wrote:
Gosia wrote:

I dont even know why they eliminated that video exactly.

Well, because you mentioned Jews and they happen to own Youtube/Google along with the rest of the MSM.

Your speculation is as good as anyone's really, so why go that route at all instead of just accepting that "it is unclear at this time" ? Plus there are tons of anti-Jew videos on YT, so that cannot be valid anyways.


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#48 2022-04-21 15:19:33

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It is the cabal - the top of the pyramid who owns everything but have proxies who are like managers to all this huge property. And most of them are Jews because of the bounds of the religion and the secret societies formed around it.

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#49 2022-04-21 16:06:34

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Re: Pleadian Knowledge new video w/claims of fraud?

Gosia wrote:

And let me use this situation to demonstrate the point I tried to convey already years ago: as soon as we provide photos, controversies will begin. Accusations of them being fake, porn dancers, CGIs, and who know what else. Thats why providing the photos is a delicate matter and to be honest, does seeing their photos really prove anything? If Athena shared her photos, its to get closer to the people, so they can put a face to the information, but as you can see... is it really worth it? Do you understand now why none of us wanted to share photos before?

Oh, I totally get it, Gosia. Anything can be faked today with the right software. Heck, I can do some pretty good photoshop work and I'm not a pro. The photos really muddied up the water for Billy Meier and that was before photoshop and CGI even existed. It doesn't help that they look just like Earth humans so it's way too easy for people to dismiss them as frauds. Even meeting face-to-face, I remember Rashell saying Eisenhower accused her of being a German and not an ET.

The photos are fun to see and it's nice to have faces to go with the names. But this contact is about the information, not the photos.

You can let Athena know that, at least for me, the photos do make me feel closer to them and I appreciate the effort she's putting in.

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#50 2022-04-21 22:45:17

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Alleged message from Aneeke read out by Robert on his live show last year (and badly translated into English from Spanish)

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