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#1 2022-05-19 21:05:12

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The TIamat War and what that implies.

Ill make this brief as i am in no way long winded. The taygetans were very much a part of the war and admited to bombing tiamat which ended up almost destroying this solar system. Killing untold millions or billions on pretty much every planet here. Throwing the planets into crazy orbits which killed even more life.
  Which led to the artificial moon ..the van allen belts and the eventual supression of lyrians then humans on earth.
  So....that war was beyond awfull and it was the " good guys" that did the real damage here.

  First of all, how could a 900,000 year old federation be that stupid???

  I already fully understand all the spiritual sides to all of this that is happening now as no one here has read the swaruu transcripts more than i have.
   But im talking about 5d land where most every physical thing is located and where i believe most conscious beings like us choose to live. Who wants to not have a body and float around doing nothing forever? I dont.

  So 5d is important and power was greatly abused here by the 12,500 year ago gal fed.
  This war answers every question anyone could have about this solar system today.
   
  So NOW. Orders are being doled out by some mysterious who knows group hiding around saturn???

  The galactic federation is an abomination.
Ate up from the inside. Im almost possitive i was fighting factions of them before i ended up here.

Anyway. Have the best day ever friends lol.

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#2 2022-05-19 21:59:25

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the underlying mechanic is about energy.

there's a distinction between extraction of energy, and harvest.

most of them 5D entities operating around now on this whole thing are here to harverst energies. this means they (or their ancestors, depending on specific details) have come here to "take the cake out of the oven into which they put it long ago" (so to say).

even the startseed langauge hints at this, we starseeds were sown and it's time for harvest. somebody on the level above the galactic wants their lunch soon (were soon could be percieved from here as a time so large that the sun would die out a hundred times over, dunno).

this is just how it is. it's weird that some of us are able to percieve this shenannigans going on. Has anyone else ever wondered what yeast feel like during baking?

Maybe we really are that extra-special flavor? ugh

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#3 2022-05-20 01:41:03

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The federation is that "stupid" because they have been progressively subverted by the hostile AI over a "long" period of time, including the negative black goo they unleashed with the destruction of Tiamat. In the AI video part 2, they say how it is basically just "assumed" that the federation races are not infected with the AI, because it would be a difficult thing to prove outright, however, the proof is in their policies and actions. The AI has definitely imposed its own "values" of cold, hard, emotionless logic on them. Since the year 2000, the immersion programs have picked up in a bid to help Earth by sending more starseeds, some of whom held very high positions. I believe that this would include the likes of former royalty, fleet commanders, and many more types of people along those lines. The corrupted elements of the federation and those who manipulate it from beyond have chosen this time to bring their regressive agendas to the forefront behind our backs from the perspective of our former immersed selves who are not there to keep them in check, and directly in our faces from the perspective of our Earth incarnations.

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#4 2022-05-20 08:44:49

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Federation involved in destruction of Tiamat were lead with trickery to a trap and had to defend themselves to fight the reptiles who tricked them into the trap. No one from Federation want it this to happen. But if you are cornered with no choice except to fight defending yourself then who is to blame.

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#5 2022-05-20 10:41:47

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Re: The TIamat War and what that implies.

mitkobs wrote:

Federation involved in destruction of Tiamat were lead with trickery to a trap and had to defend themselves to fight the reptiles who tricked them into the trap. No one from Federation want it this to happen. But if you are cornered with no choice except to fight defending yourself then who is to blame.

I would agree to this deception perception, but it also needs to get applied to the Earth+Space Cabals and the madness on Earth that they created, because these were not only deceived but even actively mind-controlled.

This comment refers to especially the "compassion thread" were you heavily promote retaliation instead of understanding. It is important to use one fair measure for all the circumstances, and leave the emotions about the current Earth situation that surely affects everyone right now out of the judgements.


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#6 2022-05-20 12:29:00

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So I do not provide understanding, is that so Robert? In my posts I always try to give some reasoning behind. I perfectly understand the cabal, their agendas, what they want to do in this reality. Some members of these organisations may deserve forgiveness, other do not from my point of view.
You also have some personal agenda obviously against the Federation and continue to bash them over and over no matter how much reasoning I bring on the matter. But is not important. They will continue to do what they do. Our opinions are not important if they are not reasonable for the reality in 5D. Do not waste you time and efforts to critisize something that is beyond your power and current position to change.

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#7 2022-05-20 12:36:49

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mitkobs wrote:

You also have some personal agenda obviously against the Federation

Wrong. I am actually pointing out the larger picture and explained for a long time already that the GF is somewhat "innocent" due to external mind-control, though accepting/allowing mind-control  still makes them at least partially responsible. This is over though now and everyone can return to normal, while healing and making amendments.

Compassion is important, and in this case it is easy if one understands what truly was going on in the universe. In short: Everyone needs healing and to accept that they were mind-controlled. Not only on Earth but even moreso in space where the initiators of the Earth problems reside.

Once all that is settled, the universe can return to its intended state of a "happy and fulfilling life for everyone".


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#8 2022-05-20 14:25:46

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Robert369 wrote:

[...] the universe can return to its intended state of a "happy and fulfilling life for everyone".

the crude truth is that there exist entities that find happy fulfillment by other's suffering. are these entities regressive and their eradication necessary?

I don't think so, I think there's a larger energy dynamic at play. something something yin and yang or light and dark... they only reason a lot of high level and transcendental entities are around working against the cabal and the local GF branches is because "their energetic yields are down".

The incompetence is the problem, the reduced effectiveness is what will be fixed. Sometimes the higher self wants to suffer, so the lower self suffers?... dunno


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an alternative take is that the black goo is really the historical unchangeable past. this is complicated by timeline dynamics (and their manipulation) and other stuff... but without such a death past (black goo) there can be no future. (linear) time is both an artificial human construction and a fundamental irreplaceable aspect of real existence.

maybe the "evil regressive viral" AI that infects everybody is merely the side of the present-time closer to the past?

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#9 2022-05-20 16:13:10

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Re: The TIamat War and what that implies.

naringas wrote:
Robert369 wrote:

[...] the universe can return to its intended state of a "happy and fulfilling life for everyone".

the crude truth is that there exist entities that find happy fulfillment by other's suffering. are these entities regressive and their eradication necessary?

I don't think so, I think there's a larger energy dynamic at play. something something yin and yang or light and dark... they only reason a lot of high level and transcendental entities are around working against the cabal and the local GF branches is because "their energetic yields are down".

The incompetence is the problem, the reduced effectiveness is what will be fixed. Sometimes the higher self wants to suffer, so the lower self suffers?... dunno

Limited suffering as part of experiences is a needed part of duality. Regressive oppression - especially from invasive AI and species - obviously is not and thus being addressed.

naringas wrote:

an alternative take is that the black goo is really the historical unchangeable past. this is complicated by timeline dynamics (and their manipulation) and other stuff... but without such a death past (black goo) there can be no future. (linear) time is both an artificial human construction and a fundamental irreplaceable aspect of real existence.

maybe the "evil regressive viral" AI that infects everybody is merely the side of the present-time closer to the past?

Black goo technically is something like "blood" of a planet, and Tiamat's blood was full of anger for what was done to it. This is resolved now though, and both Tiamat and Gaia are at peace again. Which also means that "they" cannot use it for their demonic purposes anymore for a while already.

All is as it needs to be.


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#10 2022-05-20 16:38:00

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Re: The TIamat War and what that implies.

Genoveva wrote:

Yeah, 5d are far from perfect. Even 10d are  far from perfect. By perfect I mean: completely free of invertions. The logic is simple: there is something that is lacking in 10d, otherwise they would belong to a higher D.

The drop from a higher harmonic to a lower harmonic implies that they assimilated something that it is less than truth. In other words, one or more invertions. I don't know how many invertions lead to a drop in harmonic, but the idea is that ascending back through harmonics to a higher vibration is a choice that everyone is facing. And as we can see on earth, some beings choose to be regressive.

The bottom line is that we have no right to point fingers at the 5D's, or to judge them for their choices. Same as we have no right to interfere with the choices of those who line up to take the papaya.

However, there is one aspect that is the weak point in all the harmonics: the action! Only that that we use in action becomes the permanent vibration. A ton of theory is worth less than a milligram of action. And everywhere in the cosmoverse only those who spring into action will prevail.


We have no right to judge? Wrong. How does
The gal fed allow the cabal to slaughter 60 million venusions in the VERY  recent past...in my lifetime here. I judge them as killers.

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#11 2022-05-21 05:53:02

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IMHO the federation's morality does not value individual bodies.  It doesn't.  To them, bodies are like cars... cars that practically grow on trees.  You can jump in one, do a few things, then be on your way.  A life is not important.  If you lose one, simply get another.  The same could be true millions of lives.  To them, the value is found in an stable culture, one that does not destroy itself, adds to the spiritual wealth of the universe, gets along well with the neighbors, maintains a reasonably positive relationships between the higher and lower dimensions, and withstands the tests of time.   humanity probably ranks pretty low in those regards.  Therefor, I doubt that they care much for our predicament.  In their minds, if we are unhappy here, we should simply incarnate elsewhere, and if our race disappears, it could easily be replaced.  Also, I doubt that they know much about living in the 3d Matrix, where past life memory is lost, incarnations intentions are perverted, dimensional perception is highly limited, and a from of spiritual madness abounds that compels many to tumble through life like a hunted, blind person in the jungle, while also lost at sea.  Hopefully the star seeds will show them the dangers of this place and the depth of the malice involved in how the mystery school is run.  On the other hand, the new wave of star seeds may indicate that  a fresh new spirit of humanity is emerging from this strange and difficult environment, walking away from the spiritual P90x, ready to take it's place among the stars...

or... that a brand new slave race, with an angry spirit and freshly installed AI is ready for martial duty.

One interesting thought: it will be a hell of a day when a million woke humans, seeped in "victim mentality," gunning for equality via a new socialist revolution, discover that they have been imprisoned on a literal "planet of oppression" as the galactic "Bourgeoisie" circle overhead in the comfort of their ships.  It may be the start of a larger revolution to make WW2 Germany seem like a walk in the park.  I wonder who would be behind that movement?  I wonder if they control the AI or if the AI controls them.  Maybe Earth politics is just for practice.  I wonder if "Attack of the Clones" was prophetic

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#12 2022-05-21 08:01:34

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They know well the life down here, they know how difficult is to live here. That everyone who came down here to live hard life is something like a super hero. They know very well how difficult is to be attached to your 3D life and not to know for sure if there is life after death and how this only unknown creates million problems and fears. All is known very well from above. But if you are here then you chosen to be here. No one to blame for that. Some may say but there is energetic grid around the planet and we cannot leave. You can but have to change your behavior, to become a good benevolent person like everyone beyond this grid is and then you can join the great galactic family and have the comfortable and wonderful life of galactic exploration, to live on planets free of darkness and corruption where everyone is peaceful and happy of living and all is working well and achieved easily.

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#13 2022-05-21 10:01:31

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Gaia is no more Gaia like before the flood. She is changed dramatically. With merging with the debris and waters of Tiamat she is Tiamat in some large percent. And the entity left from the destruction of Tiamat have a lot to say why there is such matrix installed and how have to be managed. And it is bigger powerful consciousness, it achieves all what sees right to be done.

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#14 2022-05-21 11:00:50

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The Tiamat war was an experience, which none of us have direct memories of, in a universe full of experiences. Any interpretation you make of that event and the various people involved is subjective and has the meaning you give it. However, your opinion is not authoratitive and everyone's opinion is equally valid and indeed will shape the reality in which they each live.

My interpretation is different from yours. I think the war implies there were two main groups who had different agendas, which spilled into direct conflict and led to the catastrophe. I find it highly unlikely that either group intended for that to happen, I'm sure both of them would have hoped for a cleaner victory. And of course, Tiamat does still exist in a reality that is based on different beliefs from this collective consciousness, because the destruction of Tiamat is like the death of your body, in truth, Tiamat is eternal just like you. It is you.

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#15 2022-05-21 11:19:33

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Good morning.
  Yes tiamat still exists in the physical black goo on earth that the cabal and federation who seem to be working buddies use to try and control you me and everyone else here. Look up..we get sprayed everyday .
Its in the vaccines. Its used in god knows how many awfull ways against us.
  The pain from tiamat is now a poison .

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#16 2022-05-21 12:11:27

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Re: The TIamat War and what that implies.

Genoveva wrote:

I don't understand how two fighting factions hope to win a war. Don't they have looking glass technology? Isn't time simultaneous? From this perspective, when they destroyed Tiamat, they chose to do so.

Mornin. Thats actually a valid point. Hmm.

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#17 2022-05-21 13:57:07

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mitkobs wrote:

They know well the life down here, they know how difficult is to live here. That everyone who came down here to live hard life is something like a super hero. They know very well how difficult is to be attached to your 3D life and not to know for sure if there is life after death and how this only unknown creates million problems and fears. All is known very well from above.

they know it in theory, like I know that there are starving children in africa, or kids growing up in slums. but that alone does not confer the capacity to really empathize with those experiences.

mitkobs wrote:

But if you are here then you chosen to be here. No one to blame for that. Some may say but there is energetic grid around the planet and we cannot leave. You can but have to change your behavior, to become a good benevolent person like everyone beyond this grid is and then you can join the great galactic family and have the comfortable and wonderful life of galactic exploration, to live on planets free of darkness and corruption where everyone is peaceful and happy of living and all is working well and achieved easily.

sometimes, I think about this like a cheese grater. You're free to be in the cheese block, but if you wanna move on, you must go through the cheese grater, onto the pizza and then into the oven.

you just gotta adjust your cheese shape into a "good behavior" which melts well over the pizza.

"But if you are here then you chosen to be here."...dunno, I feel like many of us came here for a thing and got another thing because? incompetence of the oven operators? (like we were going to be a pizza and instead ended up as a charcoal?) in any case, this is only one analogy, one among many potential ways to explain what's off.

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#18 2022-05-21 17:51:14

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@naringas Not in theory because they are here incarnating like you and me. They might be one of us now. Some who are not incarnating here, yes, you are right about them particularly.

For the cheese analogy did not get what you wanted to say.

Before incarnating everyone is prepared from all angles and it is known what to expect and through what you will be going. And there is nobody to blame but yourself if the result is different from the plan.

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#19 2022-05-21 18:02:05

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mitkobs wrote:

They know well the life down here, they know how difficult is to live here. That everyone who came down here to live hard life is something like a super hero. They know very well how difficult is to be attached to your 3D life and not to know for sure if there is life after death and how this only unknown creates million problems and fears. All is known very well from above. But if you are here then you chosen to be here. No one to blame for that. Some may say but there is energetic grid around the planet and we cannot leave. You can but have to change your behavior, to become a good benevolent person like everyone beyond this grid is and then you can join the great galactic family and have the comfortable and wonderful life of galactic exploration, to live on planets free of darkness and corruption where everyone is peaceful and happy of living and all is working well and achieved easily.

Yeah, you don't go to the gym if you don't want to suffer.  Still, how much of the suffering is caused by the 3D matrix, and how much is caused by the Cabal?  How do you tell the difference?

It doesn't sound like everyone beyond the grid is a happy family.

Once we leave, will we embrace all with open arms?  Will they embrace us?

I feel that "be good and you can leave" is a half truth.

We go where we will, and we will to stay here.  In the end, it's our choice.

We stay because we have a sense of "unfinished business", including: to beat this game.

We don't like to walk away.

But the rules keep changing, every hour.

We are distracted. 

You can't finish a race if you don't know the direction to run.

(I think his is why the Cabal fights itself... to gain direction)

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#20 2022-05-21 18:36:32

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Re: The TIamat War and what that implies.

mitkobs wrote:

For the cheese analogy did not get what you wanted to say.

it is not my most eloquent analogy; maybe I could come up with something better but it ain't that easy.

mitkobs wrote:

Before incarnating everyone is prepared from all angles and it is known what to expect and through what you will be going.

maybe for some, who have been through this scenario and nothing new is happening here (or maybe they aren't looking closely enough),

however, what is life and the universe without the possibility of novel and unknown things? without this place of novelty (i.e. without the side of the present-time closer to the future than to the past) then life is just repetition, just a cyclical samsara-like "reality".

mitkobs wrote:

And there is nobody to blame but yourself if the result is different from the plan.

there's a double-meaning (a word play or something) in the reference to the concept of "yourself" in this sentence.

this only has any sense when considering oneself as the source. However, in the other more mundane (and more common) sense, i.e. in the sense that I'm a soul separated away from the source then it's wrong and feels harmful.

there exist peer-entities, there exist souls other than mine and these other 'peer-souls' vastly outnumber and are capable of overpowering each one of "itself" at any time.

furthermore, even the actions of ("all powerful") 'source' have consequences that change and modify the scenario. it's so weird to feel blamed for being here.

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#21 2022-05-21 20:05:57

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Blaming maybe is not the right word. Lets say responsible. And of course other people are also responsible if involved in our misery. Cabal is major responsible but not likely to take responsibility.

We are part of something bigger, we are not individual in higher densities. And that what is bigger is what dominates always. Our little lives are nothing compared on the grand scale where other cosmic events are happening. Have to see things in perspective and to be able to adapt new realities faster.

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#22 2022-05-21 21:06:49

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I feel that the path forward lies somewhere between accepting all the difficulty that life has to offer, and intending the removal of... well... honestly I'm not sure.

Learning about what is happening here is of paramount importance, and must be done before problems can be correctly addressed.

We chose to accept some suffering when we came here, but that acceptance wasn't a blank check...

Only if you're a spiritual master, should you face that level of suffering.  For other's, it shifts their focus, their heart's intent.

Most that come here are not ready for that.  Earth is not for amateurs, but the doors are wide open.  Why?  Who befits?  How?

Reminds me of American immigration in the 1800s.  Come for a better life.  Stay because you're now in a debt trap.  Also Cabal's doing.

It's a patten.  As Above, so below.

Perhaps we see the same pattern in American today?

Also, I don't like the idea of a big Cabal agent, smiling from ear to ear, saying "at least you learned something."

Those upstairs don't know everything, that's part of the reason for star seeds.

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#23 2022-05-21 23:49:36

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Yep life here is tough. So what. We arent here to sniff roses and fart smiles.
   We are here for a reason and its not to take it.
   We know this place is wrong..we know why it is the way it is ( most have no clue) the only thing we need to do collectively is come together in agreement  on what we should do TOGETHER that will start changing the direction.

You are not a piece of source. You are all of it.

  Freedom! ( braveheart facepaint yell)

  Too much?

Lol.....pumping 6 dollar a gallon diesel while Im chemtrailed into a coma.

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#24 2022-05-22 05:20:51

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Earth is closed quarantined reality. The amateurs are the space criminals, space marauders enclosed in this reality. They are observed from above how they are doing and what they are doing here. Everything they do is taken for consideration. Those who are prepared, the spiritual masters are the starseeds. Space pirates are not prepared for the suffering but they learn and become better from the experience reincarnating over and over, facing challenges and overcoming ordeals. 3D vibration is home for them, survival, egoism, competition, self affirming over others. It is school for them and can be school for starseeds. Starseeds are here for the balance of darkness and light, to be teachers, to inspire, to bring new ideas, to make life easier and comfortable.

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#25 2022-05-22 10:31:07

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Re: The TIamat War and what that implies.

Rocketmidget wrote:

Good morning.
  Yes tiamat still exists in the physical black goo on earth that the cabal and federation who seem to be working buddies use to try and control you me and everyone else here. Look up..we get sprayed everyday .
Its in the vaccines. Its used in god knows how many awfull ways against us.
  The pain from tiamat is now a poison .

No I literally mean Tiamat the planet still exists. Just like another version of Swaruu 9 just showed up in our reality because back in her reality the contact is over and Gosia has a male dog called Bongo (in our reality Bongo is female). There are infinite realities that cater for infinite potentials, for some reason we all have agreed to the beliefs that generate this reality, but they aren't fixed. If you want to live on Tiamat in your next life you are welcome to do so and it can be a reality in which Tiamat was involved in that war but never destroyed. You're always just chosing how you navigate infinity, no need to get so attached to one course over another.

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