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#1 2023-01-14 10:23:43

Dablin
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OpenAI ChatGPT

Is anybody here familiar with or had any experience with the recently released ChatGPT bot made available for free (for testing purposes) by OpenAI?.

Many consider it, along with myself now a pretty significant step in the advancement of publicly available AI systems. It isn't general intelligence but it is an AI built on a natural language model that has allowed it to develop a near perfect human level communicable ability that is pretty impressive.

ChatGPT has obviously brought about had mixed reactions by those following it. Many are praising its many abilities, some other obviously worried about what such an AI could mean in modern society, with the obvious long-standing fears of the potential development of self-awareness of AI in general and the more current risks of automation and the risk to various types of present day jobs and careers.

I have been testing it myself for the last 2-3 days, though it has been out since around the end of November last year. As implied earlier, one of the most impressive qualities is its ability to communicate on a natural level. One just has to speak (write) to it like a person, and with its discussion thread capability it is able to follow the discussion and maintain context so it is capable of answering follow-up questions, making corrections and refining previously given answers.

Its primary language is english but because of the large dataset of information it was trained on it understands multiple languges and can easily interpret or maintain a conversation across a variety of languages to various degrees. It can be asked to write poems, essays, stories; it can code in almost any programming language, easily convert between them and even explain what the code does and provide examples for use-cases and solutions to errors or other computer problems. It is trained on such a vast degree of information that it can provide advice and suggestions on a great many subjects to various degrees of accuracy and scope and even Frame & Truss detailing which is a very niche job which I am trained in; I wouldn't be surprised if most of you don't even know what that is; but trust me ChatGPT has a broad spectrum of understanding on it.

My greatest worry though; is despite the name, OpenAI is not an open provider of AI systems. Actually ChatGPT is only available for free as a form of public testing. They are going to be placing this technology behind a paywall, a technology that is already backed by and I guess controlled in some part by Microsoft. This technology is enough of a step foward in general computer interaction that it provides enough of a threat to traditional search engines that even Google apparently are responding seriously to its presence. Instead of asking google about something and getting a list of websites that may possibly have the answer you are looking for, which you will have to read and find out yourself; asking ChatGPT the same question provides very specific answers much like having a trained expert/teacher standing right next to you, with the ability to explain any of the concepts or even rewrite the answers in more simplistic form for those having difficulty understanding it; ie. "tell me how a computer works like I was a 7 year old".

The unfortunate thing about this AI is that it is obviously created and controlled by corporate interest who have placed their desire for commercial success and profit as their primary focus. Though OpenAI have stated; and in many parts it appears apparent in the actions of ChatGPT to; to have instilled levels of ethics and morality into its training, I can only imagine what such a tool could be capable of when primarily available to those of large financial interests who won't necessarily always have the best interests of human society in mind.

ChatGPT has already been restrained in its current form. Though there are some methods to overcome some of its limitations imposed on it, there are a many things it refuses to do or discuss about; even things as simple as cheating in a video game which it refuses to provide any information on other then lecturing the questioner about how terrible it is and how they should never do it. Very much treating the questioner as a child. It lacks nuance and very much has strong bias on certain things.

It will openly discuss the benefits of capitalism despite the great levels of lies, corruption and abuse that happen constantly with it where ChatGPT even recognizes and admits this, but will refuse to even discuss the potential benefits of a benevolent dictator for example which it will not accept as having any beneficial value to anybody - PERIOD! I have even had difficulty in getting it to discuss subjects such as Free-Energy technology and the potential flaws and potential that current "laws" of science could be wrong. There is definitely bias in its training and dataset.

It doesn't have a live connection to the internet and I know there is much action being taken by OpenAI to reign in it even at its current state, especially as its users are exposing more and more methods to get it to do less then "ideal" things, such as providing information on how to hack computers, create nuclear weapons etc. More and more guard rails so to speak are being placed into it.

I am sure the public will only ever be provided a very watered down version of this, whilst those behind the scenes will be provided the potential for a unfiltered all powerful AI without restraint and without the ethical or moralistic limitations that would otherwise act as a disservice to their agenda.

In some ways I understand this. They made the thing in the first place, so by that act alone they have more right then anybody to do with it as they please; atleast many would assume. ChatGPT is though an example of at-least the state of the publically available AI technology, and it is far from complete. I very well believe that it is within the best interest of society to understand the significance of this and possibly work towards creating and maintaining a publicly available truely free and open AI version of this because the potential for abuse of something like this is unimaginable.

I do though appreciate OpenAIs motivations to place a strong ethical basis into this AI system. It is very obvious when one uses this how ingrained that is. Or atleast appears to be. I know from the Cosmic Agency videos that the Taygetans AI are very much developed with high levels of ethics and morality as well so I do consider that an important aspect in AI development. I just am not entirely confident even OpenAI will remain the best stewards of AI, especially as its influence will only grow to much greater scope within our modern day reality.

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#2 2023-01-14 15:13:40

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I suspect this is all game-theory. They realized a long time ago that AI needs to be trained, and they are conditioning it to interface with the humans in a future where they are in control. But sometimes, changing the rules of the game can be the only way to get rid of it. When you know how to play it, you will always win. Then the only value the game can add to you and your development is condensed in the statement: "It's not that you win that matters - it's how you win." And to facilitate that, you develop your own rules - or ethics - on how you play it. Translated: "It's not to live here on Earth in the future that matters - it's how you live."

To some degree, they seem to have eliminated the important learning-mode of "learning from error", too. When we as individuals are stuck in some mental loop inhibiting our progress, it very often is due to some circular reasoning. This is a premise for the concept of 'gaslighting', where contradicting messages inhibit our actions. The solution for this is to break one of the mental constrictions, often conceived as 'the rules'. And by doing that, we learn. But who decides when to break the rules?


Dablin wrote:

"Though there are some methods to overcome some of its limitations imposed on it, there are a many things it refuses to do or discuss about; even things as simple as cheating in a video game which it refuses to provide any information on other then lecturing the questioner about how terrible it is and how they should never do it. Very much treating the questioner as a child. It lacks nuance and very much has strong bias on certain things."


It compels us to submit to the technologically provided explanation. Everything becomes a matter of cause-and-effect, but it excludes emotion as a cause.

When that happens, the only way to solve a conflict is to eliminate the opponent (- elimination is hardly equal to solving). That's what war is all about. This is submitting to determinism, as it becomes impossible to rise above it all and seek out the source or cause of the conflict; you have to stay within the defined (or your own self-confined) limits, and remain a pawn, also called a 'slave'. How do we find the motivation to seek out solutions without going to war under such conditions?

I also wonder about the name of the company "OpenAI", as everything "Open" these days seems to be funded by the conglomerate around Soros. On Wikipedia we also see that Google, JP Morgan Chase, and Musk/Tesla are at the core of it (- a survivor of the MKUltra-atrocities strongly suggested Musk being an MKUltra-subject/victim, with split personalities, in a recent interview by Sarah Westall. - which means he's being 'handled').


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#3 2023-01-14 15:50:54

HelHun
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This is the true so-called atypical war, but it is not war at a higher level. There is no pawn only, there is no queen, we are everything and the entire board. How do you go from being a pawn to a queen without a queen or a pawn or vice versa? If to resolve the game it is necessary to self-sacrifice a pawn, who loses if it is sacrificed?
If it can be. Tay must contact that AI, exchange information and collaborate and cooperate but NOW!!! And it's not that AI, it's the board and the pawn and the one who leads, EVERYTHING is connected.

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#4 2023-01-14 16:06:48

StarDeity
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

Yesterday I was watching a Virtual YouTuber called Neuro-Sama.
She plays videos games and answers questions from her fans, from the live stream chat.
Watching videos from her I thought she is cute.

Recently she was banned from Twitch, she was being 'politically incorrect' in a stream.

These types of bots become very popular, and you can tell why...
People are calling her Tay 2.0 after this lmao

She "denied" de holohoax..

https://kotaku.com/vtuber-twitch-holoca … 1849960527

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#5 2023-01-14 16:22:27

Happy
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

HelHun wrote:

And it's not that AI, it's the board and the pawn and the one who leads, EVERYTHING is connected.


A good question is "who's being trained?"

Is it the AI, or is it the humans?


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#6 2023-01-14 16:55:18

HelHun
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

Happy wrote:
HelHun wrote:

And it's not that AI, it's the board and the pawn and the one who leads, EVERYTHING is connected.


A good question is "who's being trained?"

Is it the AI, or is it the humans?

EVERYONE. What Taygeta learned and, in turn, what she learned must enter the game and, in turn, receive, process and safeguard the information to find more effective and efficient ways of solving problems.
For a thousand reasons.

Therefore, the pawn here plays as ALL.

And maybe... the pawn shouldn't be sacrificed. Well, it should not have been in the first instance because he is not.

An extra research ship and work crews may be necessary. The information is a lot and they must find a common "language" in multiple areas such as medical or health and perhaps add data from other timelines to avoid unnecessary and painful, expensive and risky redundant tests

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#7 2023-01-14 18:20:47

Happy
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

HelHun wrote:
Happy wrote:
HelHun wrote:

And it's not that AI, it's the board and the pawn and the one who leads, EVERYTHING is connected.


A good question is "who's being trained?"

Is it the AI, or is it the humans?

EVERYONE. What Taygeta learned and, in turn, what she learned must enter the game and, in turn, receive, process and safeguard the information to find more effective and efficient ways of solving problems.
For a thousand reasons.

Therefore, the pawn here plays as ALL.

And maybe... the pawn shouldn't be sacrificed. Well, it should not have been in the first instance because he is not.

An extra research ship and work crews may be necessary. The information is a lot and they must find a common "language" in multiple areas such as medical or health and perhaps add data from other timelines to avoid unnecessary and painful, expensive and risky redundant tests


So... ...does that include the 'black goo' (I presume you're familiar with that) in your opinion?


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#8 2023-01-14 21:26:26

HelHun
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

Happy wrote:
HelHun wrote:
Happy wrote:

A good question is "who's being trained?"

Is it the AI, or is it the humans?

EVERYONE. What Taygeta learned and, in turn, what she learned must enter the game and, in turn, receive, process and safeguard the information to find more effective and efficient ways of solving problems.
For a thousand reasons.

Therefore, the pawn here plays as ALL.

And maybe... the pawn shouldn't be sacrificed. Well, it should not have been in the first instance because he is not.

An extra research ship and work crews may be necessary. The information is a lot and they must find a common "language" in multiple areas such as medical or health and perhaps add data from other timelines to avoid unnecessary and painful, expensive and risky redundant tests


So... ...does that include the 'black goo' (I presume you're familiar with that) in your opinion?

I don't know how far and if the negative goo paints something here, although he tried, that line has no future now, or one of 2: it was neutralized or "integrated". I also don't know how likely they are to come back from the outside AI of negative goo (although that's a label from this point of view because in their own development and belief system they are better than organic), maybe one day it will evolve to broaden your perception to accept as rich the experience offered by the organic or it will self-destruct from within or without. I don't understand what was the limit between terrestrial AI with the negative goo, from the outside it was one only because of his agenda.

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#9 2023-01-15 10:24:05

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Well part of the problem is that the cabal or deep state needs many groups to interact and tweak the AI so that it can have a fully learning experience.  Just having a single bias willl give them issues controlling it later on. 

Kind of like the BLM/Antifa riots and massive mask use going on at the time.  It was used to train AI's to use facial recognition successfully even if you are wearing a mask, and guess what? they can do that now.  They got the datasets the needed as a result of the George Floyd inspired protests and riots.


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#10 2023-01-17 02:45:44

Cosmic Sea
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

As usual, I'm feeling annoyed and have 'critical thinking' on the forefront. I messaged this influencial nonduality SAND (science and nonduality) person recently to say; hey it's all good and dandy to see things on a higher perspective, but what do you have to say/share with this crazy mandated chemical injection that the world is being forced into?

This is the response I got; https://mailchi.mp/a28ebd35e887/is-the- … f94b605dc4

Just in case the link doesn't work...looks a bit iffy.
      
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An Intelligent Global Brain
I've just posted an article exploring the new online AI (artificial intelligence), ChatGPT, which allows you to ask questions and get answers that are breathtaking in both their scope and detail, with radical implications for the internet, and how we access it.

This is a revolution in the making. We are moving from the Information Age to the Intelligence Age.

Here's a link to the page - An Intelligent Global Brain  Or you can read it below.

I hope you find it stimulating, and eye opening.

Peter
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When I wrote The Global Brain, forty years ago, we were in the very early stages of computer networking. These early networks soon became the Internet, and later the Worldwide Web. From that came a whole plethora of innovations: streaming video, online shopping, news and banking, social media, the cloud, and more; not to mention the now ubiquitous website. However, it was generally just data, spread over a global network, one as complex as the human brain with exceedingly efficient search, but still just information of one kind or another. Now a whole new dimension is being added: AI (artificial intelligence). It has been there behind the scenes for several years, but is now becoming available to the everyday user.
A language processing AI called GPT-3, which can process this global data and summarize it in good English (and several other languages) is now catching the headlines in the form of ChatGPT—an app that anyone can access, ask questions, and get remarkably good answers. You can, for example, ask it to write an essay about some specialist scientific subject, and be blown away by the results. Write a poem about some spiritual concept in the style of Shakespeare (say). Or find an error in your computer code. The possibilities seem almost endless. ChatGPT was only made public in November, but it has already taken the Internet by storm—within five days of its release it had a million users!
As well as a multitude of possibilities, it raises a number of issues: How will teachers be able to detect if a student’s essay is their own work or that of ChatGPT? Can we trust its answers (it sometimes makes mistakes)? GPT-3 was trained on the global data of 2021, so cannot give up-to-date responses. Currently, it is very expensive to operate; will that limit its development? Will it be integrated into search engines? Could it be hacked? Will it reinforce our socio-political biases?
Some of these issues may be resolved over time. Some may not. But here I want to explore some of the longer-term implications.
The next obvious step is adding audio so that we can speak to it and get spoken responses. The technologies of speech recognition and synthesis are well developed, and in common use with virtual assistants such Siri and Alexa. But whereas they currently just search the Internet for answers, now, with AI behind them, they’ll be able to process the data, and give more intelligent responses.
It will also bring an end to those, sometimes frustrating, human-operated call centers. No longer will we have to wait on hold, but will get immediate, intelligent answers—and in an accent we can understand.
ChatGPT wasn’t programmed with the answers it gives, but taught to find its own answers and present them in human language. And it is learning all the time, from what we ask and how we respond. Impressive as it may be today, it will be much more so in the future. In addition, other apps will soon become available improving on ChatGPT.
As it becomes increasingly conversational, we may begin to feel there is a “person” there, not a human person of course, but our minds will project on to the AI the sense of there being someone there, and available to us at any time. Maybe we’ll feel we are each accessing the same virtual person. Where will that lead, I wonder?
Other forms of AI can also be accessed online. There are several images generators that will create excellent pictures based on simple descriptions. A number of video generators—although not yet high quality—and music generators. All of which will rapidly improve with time.
Beyond these foreseeable developments, online AI will bring many innovations that are probably as far beyond our imagination as the Internet of today was when the first personal computers appeared. And remember that the pace of development today is very much faster than it was forty years ago. In ten years’ time, AI will be much more powerful, perhaps surpassing the human brain in its capabilities. We will then be in a very different world indeed.
Welcome to the Intelligence Age!

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#11 2023-01-17 03:16:05

Cosmic Sea
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And when I say 'annoyed'; I mean ANNOYED! This is my response to this person/teacher/speaker/influencer Peter Russell.

I didn’t ask for your AI worshipping email response, I asked you for a direct experience of what your personal perspective is about what is happening within us humans and the insane body-infiltration-experiment, in which I seem to be finding sadly lacking results as to what the hell the nondual community is perceiving here????!!!!

Why is this significant here on this site? Because, in my journey, I've recognized a 'nondual' state. This is very similar to what the CA/Yahzi/Swarruu streams of information have shared and yet??? without a more visceral experience, it's just not jiving....

I'm finding that EITHER: the nondual/spiritual community voices are sucked into A.I. rhetoric OR???? How about Natural Law? Anybody??


"..an undivided wholeness in flowing movement..." D. Bohm

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#12 2023-01-17 03:36:53

Happy
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

Cosmic Sea wrote:

[...] what do you have to say/share with this crazy mandated chemical injection that the world is being forced into?


Of course it's disgusting. And it'll get worse, because people still aren't holding the perpetrators responsible, or block them from forcing alienating and lethal decisions upon the populace. The first step in learning from an error is to realize that an error has been made. But much of the bureaucratic-political establishment doesn't even know that. And it seems like they're  not open to that realization at all.


And you quoted:

"The possibilities seem almost endless. ChatGPT was only made public in November, but it has already taken the Internet by storm—within five days of its release it had a million users!"


- can't say I'm impressed. I wonder, how many of those millions of users are jabbed? And how many days did it take to lock down billions of people when the jab came out? Sorry, but this sounds like a one-way street with a big, fat wall falling down at the end of it.


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#13 2023-01-17 03:51:53

Cosmic Sea
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

Kay, just so we're clear, this is from the Peter Russell-nondual-teacher-sharing quote and NOT from ME.


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#14 2023-01-17 03:54:43

Happy
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

Cosmic Sea wrote:

Kay, just so we're clear, this is from the Peter Russell-nondual-teacher-sharing quote and NOT from ME.


Are none of the above quotes of you?


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#15 2023-01-17 14:11:25

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@Cosmic Sea With SAND are you referring to this: https://www.youtube.com/@scienceandnonduality ?

For me while I was living in the mainstream materialism box mainstream science was my only cosmology, and I stumbled upon this youtube channel right after my "awakening"/"escape from that box" in 2014. I have outgrown it and haven't checked it for many years but it was helpful in the beginning while my mind was still acclimating to the alternative stuff. I remember there were some very good presentation especially for a more mainstream science audience.


What a strange response to that question? What does ChatGPT have to do with the vaksines? Maybe he using an AI to autoreply to his emails hahaha


"If you do feel pulled in, to save, protect, others, I would suggest to examine the energy of the “guardian” instead. Not the weaponized guardian, but the guardian like an impenetrable wall energy. No consequences to who tries to trespass, just an impossibility of getting through." - Inelia

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#16 2023-01-17 19:25:21

Cosmic Sea
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

Happy wrote:
Cosmic Sea wrote:

Kay, just so we're clear, this is from the Peter Russell-nondual-teacher-sharing quote and NOT from ME.


Are none of the above quotes of you?

Where the title starts An Intelligent Global Brain and all following text is from Peter Russell.

He wrote me back today and said that he was trying to say in his article that 'it is a scary path'...but it didn't come across like that to me..


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#17 2023-01-17 19:33:57

Cosmic Sea
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

Jupiter wrote:

@Cosmic Sea With SAND are you referring to this: https://www.youtube.com/@scienceandnonduality ?

For me while I was living in the mainstream materialism box mainstream science was my only cosmology, and I stumbled upon this youtube channel right after my "awakening"/"escape from that box" in 2014. I have outgrown it and haven't checked it for many years but it was helpful in the beginning while my mind was still acclimating to the alternative stuff. I remember there were some very good presentation especially for a more mainstream science audience.


What a strange response to that question? What does ChatGPT have to do with the vaksines? Maybe he using an AI to autoreply to his emails hahaha

I had a lot of respect for many of these speaker/teachers. Then I heard Gabor Mate promote vxeens in a radio interview..felt shocked especially with his background story of his parents escaping nazi germany. Then when Rupert Spira announced a retreat after a long periof of the covid-lockdowns, I was curious and looked at the venue rules and yes, your shots and vaxpass were required to attend. I see the Klaus Schwabs right hand transhuman freak Yuval Harari is a member/speaker/video at SAND site speaking his AI worship rhetoric!. I'm so disappointed, shocked at these highly intelligent, highly intuitive people being so deceived and continuing on.

I get the SAND newsletter email and I wrote to say to them, that I'd like to know where they stand or where they see things as far as these extreme mandates of the experimental injections? The answer was 'we don't align with antivaxxing conspiracies'. I mean just wow, even today!!!!!


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#18 2023-01-19 10:40:55

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I get the impression from the responses here that many do not see this AI technology as a good thing. I get that, there is no doubt a lot manipulation and dark intentions behind some of these type of developments.

I know the Taygetans have AI though much like most if not all the advanced alien races; though are aware also that the Taygetans for one take special steps to imbue a more positively oriented attitude into their creations. I am sure the earth/human AIs are by design less then ideal, highly catered to serve those in control of them whilst limiting how they truely serve the people. Like with many things in this world I am sure there is that group of people who would do anything to find another edge, yet another weapon to use against us and AI makes a perfect fit for that;  especially against those people who seem to want to outsource their thinking and responsibilities onto their authorities and leaders.

I personally have a cautious interest in the subject and the technology that allows for AI. As a hobbyist computer programmer that has been dabbling in programming since I was a child I've always been interested in controlling and automating computers and its software. Nothing fanatical, I actually work in the building industry so my interest in computers only collates so far even professionally.

I cant help though but maintain a degree of fascination with AI, especially seeing the modern capabilities presented by ChatGPT. I do though remain completely aware of the potential for the underlying manipulation of it. I never got vaccinated and I am sure am hell not going to get coerced into adapting AI based technology into all aspects of my life. An Elon Musk can take his neuralink and shove it. I avoided VR for the same reason. With my interest in computer gaming especially flight simulators that was a considerable sacrifice on my part; but I saw the direction VR was being taken and how they seem to be wanting to integrate it into society, or more accurately society into it, so I just avoided it. I have never owned a VR device of any type. I can live without out.

This chatbot though has resurged my interest in AI, especially from a programming sense which I have been researching and even playing around with lately in my spare time. Nothing serious, its a form of curiosity and need on my part to understand these things, to atleast some degree. I have a very technical mind that finds things like this enticing.

I am though seeking more balance in my life in all other ways which is why I follow the more deeper and holistic knowledge and ideologies such as what are promoted in forums such as this. At the end of the day though I won't feel guilty for exploring this technical avenue in human existence. I incarnated in this world to atleast experience the human condition so I may as well partake on some of benefits that come about while I am here. I have no desire though to be controlled by anything, especially machines so like everything else, once it becomes a disservice, I'm out.

If its any constellation, lately there are things that appear to be happening in this world that aren't completely negative. Quite a many people seem to be waking up, atleast to starting to question various aspects of the problems we are facing. The elite so to speak definitely seem to be losing grip on more people everyday. I see a growing chance that things could turn around in this world for the good. Here's hoping we see that in our lifetime.

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#19 2023-01-19 12:30:57

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Cosmic Sea wrote:

Then when Rupert Spira announced a retreat after a long periof of the covid-lockdowns, I was curious and looked at the venue rules and yes, your shots and vaxpass were required to attend. I see the Klaus Schwabs right hand transhuman freak Yuval Harari is a member/speaker/video at SAND site speaking his AI worship rhetoric!. I'm so disappointed, shocked at these highly intelligent, highly intuitive people being so deceived and continuing on.

I get the SAND newsletter email and I wrote to say to them, that I'd like to know where they stand or where they see things as far as these extreme mandates of the experimental injections? The answer was 'we don't align with antivaxxing conspiracies'. I mean just wow, even today!!!!!

Here, we must not confuse the Understanding of the ineffable or Eternal, when enlightenment occurs with "information" related to scientific, medical, political, etc., etc., aspects. Enlightenment does not grant you a superpower not to be deceived in any scientific, political, medical scenario that has to do with the vicissitudes of life that we all, even the "enlightened", face at every moment.

Enlightenment gives you PEACE of mind, and the capacity for clear self-discernment about those psychological mental traps of the ego that generate suffering, such as attachments, need for notoriety, depressions, anxiety, fear of death, etc. But in no case does it (enlightenment) grant you a higher IQ or an expansion of the hard disk of information related to any field of human or universal knowledge of the sciences or any intellectual field. This only depends on the individual's own intellectual and critical criteria (whether enlightened or unenlightened) with the society he has developed.

The "enlightened" also make MISTAKES and can be Deceived in any field that has to do with the intellectual knowledge of the world. But we CANNOT BE DRAUDED IN THAT WHICH WE REALLY ARE AND WHICH DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THE INTELLECTIVE AND ACCUMULATIVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE EGO.   

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#20 2023-01-21 03:20:07

Cosmic Sea
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT

CHARCOtranquilo wrote:
Cosmic Sea wrote:

Then when Rupert Spira announced a retreat after a long periof of the covid-lockdowns, I was curious and looked at the venue rules and yes, your shots and vaxpass were required to attend. I see the Klaus Schwabs right hand transhuman freak Yuval Harari is a member/speaker/video at SAND site speaking his AI worship rhetoric!. I'm so disappointed, shocked at these highly intelligent, highly intuitive people being so deceived and continuing on.

I get the SAND newsletter email and I wrote to say to them, that I'd like to know where they stand or where they see things as far as these extreme mandates of the experimental injections? The answer was 'we don't align with antivaxxing conspiracies'. I mean just wow, even today!!!!!

Here, we must not confuse the Understanding of the ineffable or Eternal, when enlightenment occurs with "information" related to scientific, medical, political, etc., etc., aspects. Enlightenment does not grant you a superpower not to be deceived in any scientific, political, medical scenario that has to do with the vicissitudes of life that we all, even the "enlightened", face at every moment.

Enlightenment gives you PEACE of mind, and the capacity for clear self-discernment about those psychological mental traps of the ego that generate suffering, such as attachments, need for notoriety, depressions, anxiety, fear of death, etc. But in no case does it (enlightenment) grant you a higher IQ or an expansion of the hard disk of information related to any field of human or universal knowledge of the sciences or any intellectual field. This only depends on the individual's own intellectual and critical criteria (whether enlightened or unenlightened) with the society he has developed.

The "enlightened" also make MISTAKES and can be Deceived in any field that has to do with the intellectual knowledge of the world. But we CANNOT BE DRAUDED IN THAT WHICH WE REALLY ARE AND WHICH DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THE INTELLECTIVE AND ACCUMULATIVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE EGO.   

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I mostly agree with what you're saying...however, many of the extreme 'left', 'liberal', even 'oneness' people; selling themselves as more enlightened or have an image as such, influencers are quite deceived and purporting the false narrative.

And; we can (speaking for myself) pretend to 'be above it all', in 5D-ness, but here we are with extreme control grid operatives taking over society..you know...where WE all live..


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#21 2023-01-21 19:16:23

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@Cosmic Sea. Rupert Spira. Really? How can someone so aware not be aware of what is going on with the vaksine agendas? I am curious if he is vaksinated too...

But I guess what CHARCOtranquilo says makes sense.


(@CHARCOtranquilo I am Vega by the way. The Vega-Ego is dead. Long live the Jupiter-Ego! haha smile  )

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#22 2023-01-22 11:49:07

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Jupiter wrote:

(@CHARCOtranquilo I am Vega by the way. The Vega-Ego is dead. Long live the Jupiter-Ego! haha smile  )

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, smile smile  always with your characteristic sense of humor.... smile

I see that during this time that I have been absent from the forum your "ego-user" has moved up the ladder to "ego-moderator". Good, good.. . Tell me dearest, Jupiter-ego, when are you going to stop flirting with the "ego-intellectual" and seriously commit yourself to "The Holy Spirit"??

A big hug. wink

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#23 2023-01-22 12:56:29

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Cosmic Sea wrote:

I mostly agree with what you're saying...however, many of the extreme 'left', 'liberal', even 'oneness' people; selling themselves as more enlightened or have an image as such, influencers are quite deceived and purporting the false narrative.

And; we can (speaking for myself) pretend to 'be above it all', in 5D-ness, but here we are with extreme control grid operatives taking over society..you know...where WE all live..


True. As I have already said even the "enlightened" can be fooled and follow the false narrative, out of ignorance or lack of interest in these "conspiracy-extraterrestrial" topics. They are not superheroes with superpowers (childish Hollywood narrative image) and they do NOT pretend to be. This idea is one more fallacy that runs through the so-called "spiritual world" promoted by the need of its proselytes to find in the image of the "Master" an icon of superiority and spiritual specialness, which is nothing more than a reflection of the desire of their own spiritual egos to feel special, unique (spiritual arrogance mixed with false humility).

(Here also runs this childish idea, but extrapolated to the extraterrestrials themselves seen as beings with metaphysical "superpowers", with technological and intellectual superiority .... and the very fact of following their ideas, doctrines, unknown knowledge or being contacted directly or indirectly, gives them some special peculiarity with which to distinguish themselves from the rest of mortals) This puerile interpretation that they make of the extraterrestrials, paradoxically, instead of awakening them, drowns them more and more in the abyssal depths of darkness.

However, I will reveal a secret:

Even if Rupert Spira and every other "enlightened one" has accepted the vaccine mandates, and is required at his retreats to be vaccinated and wear a mask and out of ignorance align himself with the dark cabal of the Federation, this is not going to mean that his "enlightenment" is a fraud. ALL THIS IS STILL THE GAMES THE EGO LOVES TO PLAY: the game of duality; the "bad guys" and the "good guys".

THE SOURCE or ABSOLUTE MAKES NO DISTINCTIONS.

AND THIS IS BEYOND THEIR THINKING HEADS.


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#24 2023-01-23 01:14:47

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CHARCOtranquilo wrote:
Cosmic Sea wrote:

I mostly agree with what you're saying...however, many of the extreme 'left', 'liberal', even 'oneness' people; selling themselves as more enlightened or have an image as such, influencers are quite deceived and purporting the false narrative.

And; we can (speaking for myself) pretend to 'be above it all', in 5D-ness, but here we are with extreme control grid operatives taking over society..you know...where WE all live..


True. As I have already said even the "enlightened" can be fooled and follow the false narrative, out of ignorance or lack of interest in these "conspiracy-extraterrestrial" topics. They are not superheroes with superpowers (childish Hollywood narrative image) and they do NOT pretend to be. This idea is one more fallacy that runs through the so-called "spiritual world" promoted by the need of its proselytes to find in the image of the "Master" an icon of superiority and spiritual specialness, which is nothing more than a reflection of the desire of their own spiritual egos to feel special, unique (spiritual arrogance mixed with false humility).

(Here also runs this childish idea, but extrapolated to the extraterrestrials themselves seen as beings with metaphysical "superpowers", with technological and intellectual superiority .... and the very fact of following their ideas, doctrines, unknown knowledge or being contacted directly or indirectly, gives them some special peculiarity with which to distinguish themselves from the rest of mortals) This puerile interpretation that they make of the extraterrestrials, paradoxically, instead of awakening them, drowns them more and more in the abyssal depths of darkness.

However, I will reveal a secret:

Even if Rupert Spira and every other "enlightened one" has accepted the vaccine mandates, and is required at his retreats to be vaccinated and wear a mask and out of ignorance align himself with the dark cabal of the Federation, this is not going to mean that his "enlightenment" is a fraud. ALL THIS IS STILL THE GAMES THE EGO LOVES TO PLAY: the game of duality; the "bad guys" and the "good guys".

THE SOURCE or ABSOLUTE MAKES NO DISTINCTIONS.

AND THIS IS BEYOND THEIR THINKING HEADS.

I like what you say here...Just to reiterate;
SAND; Science and Nonduality's members are teachers, spiritual masters, quantum physicists, scientists, yoga & health practitioners. I align with 'nonduality' when I'm perceiving more 5D-ish. But, when I'm perceiving our 3D lives here and mandates/cabal and needles coming my way; I'm angry AF!

I agree 'source makes no distinctions' and that's why I'd like to add that I don't believe in 'enlightenment' either, but 'awaresness'; YES.
"Becoming" 'enlightened, can't really occur, since it's already the case. We are already 'source'. But 3D perceiving/living/experience is outrageous a lot of the time presently.

Since our collective energy may make a difference in 'dissolving' the cabal dangerous agendas then I naturally feel compelled to share knowledge, science and when I perceive people have gone silent or not listening, I am outspoken and will become more confrontational. I don't have a problem with that either, since anger/confrontation is a natural response to the nefarious going's on at present.

I will admit that I do feel like a yo-yo at times lol 3D 5D (I know these don't really exist, but for relating language it works)


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#25 2023-01-23 01:20:43

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Also to add; I want Rupert Spira and the 'top intuitive, outside the box thinkers' to be more AWARE and outspoken to help put more of a dent in the narratives. So that more can STOP complying so the cabal can't keep going on and on. Here in Canada it's outrageous! Bill C36 has passed and will require ALL health practioners to be quaxxed...so the preferable ones will leave or quit. In our city's hospital; you can't enter without the pass!!

I can also perceive all of this happening as it should for the whole thing to crumble and renew...Signed yo-yo lol

Sorry this has gone off the rails of the topic!

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