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microvirus6

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Samadhi

What do you all think about samadhi (essentially a very deep, pure meditative state)? Have you experienced it, attempted to reach it? Do you think it's helpful or necessary for raising one's consciousness? Is this a true path to liberation, or a distorted teaching?

If anyone's experienced it, I would love to hear what your approach was and what it was like.

Also, maybe some of our Taygetan historians (e.g. Jupiter) are aware of transcripts that talk about this? Off the top of my head, I don't recall the Taygetans talking much about specific spiritual practices for raising awareness.

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Sjp696

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Re: Samadhi

Many use different terms to an elevated state of consciousness, it is a deep subject as some words like Nirvana, Zen may represent an extreme state of serenity not including transcending the veil.

While high frequencies are required to cross the veil it is not the same. Samadhi from my own perspective is a combination of both, but more specifically flowing with Universal direction without the will of the illusion needed to 'survive' or play any game of life.

Upon entry into this state of extreme faith that knowing you are an infinite being and part of source then allowing 'death' and then rebirth and death again without getting in the way of wanting to cling to one illusion or experience of any 'existence' of experience part of any particular design of a logos or sub logoi.

This would require a complete detachment to physical desires, wants, and needs to even care for basic needs of survival, and additionally pain, suffering-letting go of polorities and allowing oneself to flow back into the Ether crossing the veil, and being with the source without a name, face, ego or any attachments to a network of Archetypes designed by any logos.

Samadhi is the realization that experience is not real and re-entry into pure source. While crossing the veil may be done whilst being part of a Logos and in an experience, one may think he has attained Samadhi by crossing the veil and returning, but this is not true Samadhi. Samadhi is letting go into essence.
  We are part of that essence and only upon realization and acceptance of our essence we attain Samadhi. We have all been there...

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Exploringsoul

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I am still practicing, but I can share some of my experience.

Different teaching using different term. To me the best description of what I experienced Samadhi is "pure awareness".

It is definitely 100%  helpful to raise consciousness. Or, so-called raised consciousness is "pure awareness" itself, just degraded to certain level.

Both yoga teaching and Zen teaching start from meditation motionless, eg while sitting, laying down, or standing. People have different experience but eventually they should be able to switch to pure awareness during the meditation. Then they should bring this experience into their daily life. That is to say, staying in pure awareness at every moment of the daily life. It is actually what Zen teaching emphasizing, not just closing eyes and sitting, but also in our daily life.

Very few people are able to stay in pure awareness 24/7. I saw a yoga teacher said maybe thousands? However, many many are able to go in and out of the state of pure awareness longer or shorter in their daily life.

Is this a true path to liberation? Depends on liberation from what.

My answer is Yes to liberating from "Fate". Let me give an example.

I am not able to stay in pure awareness 24/7, however, the awareness to different things increased a lot in my daily life.

Lets say I have impulse to grab my cell phone. Before practicing, I may just grab it. Now my awareness notice that there is tension in my body, that is the source of the impulse. I observe the tension for a while, it dissolved. Then, the impulse to grab the phone disappear.

Applying to a bigger case, in our life, we tend to react to certain things this way but not that way. If we always follow the impulse, we fall into the wheel of cycle. If the reaction is positive, it is still ok. If it is negative or leading to a negative consequence, it is called "Fate".

I used to ask here what is the daily mental state of Taygetans. I don't see answers from any of video. My guess is probably mostly of time they are in kind of thoughtless state. If like us all day all kind of garbage thoughts jumping into the mind, they are not able to communicate telepathically.

Another thing is thoughtless is not pure awareness. The difference is subtle but fundamental.

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Jupiter 9

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Re: Samadhi

Nothing comes to mind either about Samadhi. And historian is not there right word, Cosmic Agency nerd is a better name or Taygetologist and Swaruuologist haha

I love everything about this disclosure not just the information, I even love learning trivial stuff like stories about the cats on board.

(And speaking of cats, Gosia mentioned recently that the cats have reproduced they had 7 before and now they have 22 and the cat politics and conflicts are affecting the mental state of the crew. And I have a theory that after the failed brilliant plan of the Nazis to use the two women to get close to the Queen and invade Taygeta, they have switched to plan B and I have strong suspicions that now they are using the cats to hijack the Toleka and prepare the ground for the take over of the birthplace of the Aryan race. I did some research and I have already found clues that support my suspicions. National Socialist Party of Kittens )

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"If you do feel pulled in, to save, protect, others, I would suggest to examine the energy of the “guardian” instead. Not the weaponized guardian, but the guardian like an impenetrable wall energy. No consequences to who tries to trespass, just an impossibility of getting through." - Inelia

microvirus6

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Re: Samadhi

Thx for the input everyone. Exploringsoul, could you elaborate on this? ...

Another thing is thoughtless is not pure awareness. The difference is subtle but fundamental.

Thank you

mitkobs

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Mental state of the Taygetans? Calm, rational, curious, inquisitive, benevolent, sincere, punctual, emotional. What else, the list can go long. Thoughtless one can be when meditating when no thought is passing through the mind. When thoughts are passing in meditation you just may observe them passing without feeding them further with your attention, letting them pass or transform and evolve by themselves, you stay detached from the thoughts.

Exploringsoul

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Thx for the input everyone. Exploringsoul, could you elaborate on this? ...

Another thing is thoughtless is not pure awareness. The difference is subtle but fundamental.

Thank you

"Thoughtless" is something can be achieved by effort. People follow a meditation method, step by step, almost for sure, they can reach this state of mind some day. However, for example, I remember some guru master said if one only achieve "thoughtless" but not able to enter "pure awareness", they may reincarnate into animal.  I guess because animal have no thought.

Entering into the state of "pure awareness" for the first time is not something can be achieved by effort. Eckhart Tolle's experience is a good example. Of course, after achieving it and practicing, people can go in this state of mind as will.

mitkobs

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Animals have thoughts and emotions because they have minds. Animal is not that self aware like human can be, that is the difference, they are more bound to their instincts which is also intellect and mental program in action.

Pure awareness means to be conscious about your internal and external expressions and about your inner peace. But is not possible to be 24/7 aware because we have to sleep to recuperate. During sleeping awareness is kind of switched off and only in the final stages when the body work of resting is done for the night dreams are happening which are awareness from the Astral. Generally the soul is 100% aware and it does not sleep and do not need to sleep but that is when we are on the other side in the Source(when we are not incarnated in physical vessel).

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Exploringsoul

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Re: Samadhi

When we talk about "thought", "mind", "consciousness", "awareness", what are we really talking about? The definition of those concepts are vague. It looks like we are discussing the same term but end up talking about different things.

mitkobs

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It is what is present you call you, what that witness and observe and is beyond the 5 senses which is uses now for lenses and tools, but in core is what do not need anything like a vessel to be and to see.

Of course we are talking about a mystery, something intangible, something that we know it is but is impossible to get a hold on, to be described and determined.

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Lyran

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Re: Samadhi

Not sure about samadhi specifically but meditation has been certainly said by one of the Ladies to be beneficial. But if imay, you are very much at the forefront of what is an expanded consciousness on Earth (or you wouldn't be here talking obviously ☺️) and I, myself, gain the most simply living each day, looking through the filter of the understandings offered by our Taygetean Friends.
Have Fun Everyone
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Exploringsoul

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In case anybody being interested on this topic, don't want anyone to be misleading, it is possible to remain conscious 24/7. That would include lucid dream and bring awareness to dreamless sleep.

A real case is Ken Wilber. Please refer to his book [One Taste] for the detailed description.

Gosia and Yazhi had conversation in "https://www.swaruu.org/en/transcripts/t … al-contact"

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Yázhi: You are not a body having a spiritual experience, you are only a soul full of powerful ideas, as the saying goes.
How to unstuck? How often do you really meditate, like in going away completely and when awakening you don't even know where or when you are?

Gosia: Once a year.

Yázhi: How often do you practice astral travel, or conscious sleep?

Gosia: Once every 5 years.
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I was mind blowing when I was watching this episode. Even Yazhi practices similar meditation like us.

knoxvilles_joker

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Re: Samadhi

In case anybody being interested on this topic, don't want anyone to be misleading, it is possible to remain conscious 24/7. That would include lucid dream and bring awareness to dreamless sleep.

A real case is Ken Wilber. Please refer to his book [One Taste] for the detailed description.

Gosia and Yazhi had conversation in "https://www.swaruu.org/en/transcripts/t … al-contact"

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Yázhi: You are not a body having a spiritual experience, you are only a soul full of powerful ideas, as the saying goes.
How to unstuck? How often do you really meditate, like in going away completely and when awakening you don't even know where or when you are?

Gosia: Once a year.

Yázhi: How often do you practice astral travel, or conscious sleep?

Gosia: Once every 5 years.
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I was mind blowing when I was watching this episode. Even Yazhi practices similar meditation like us.

Due to my work schedule it is routine for me to stay awake for 24 hour hours at a stretch.  After about 20 hours of awakeness reality....changes...oddly.

And yes I do make up the lost sleep later.  It is just a function of how my job works.

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mitkobs

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Re: Samadhi

If you have to sleep there are states of awareness during the sleep and if you are able to be in theta state you can be aware during the sleep. But the whole sleeping thing is for recuperation. If you are aware you may meddle in the process and sleep not to serve as recuperation. To be aware during sleep is something to be learned with practice every night and also may not happen if your higher self is not here for such experience. See non REM and REM stages of sleep. In the non REM occurs the healing and recuperation when there is no memory of consciousness operating.

Jupiter 9

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I think with pure awareness spiritual teachers usually mean a non dual state of awareness where there is no separate observer. While in thoughtless awareness there is still a sense of an "I", a sense of a separate observer.

And i think the thoughtless state is a soul-person that is completely disidentified with the content of consciousness but they still have a sense of self, a sense of an "I", an identification with an "I". There is still an observer and the observed in that state. We could call this the pure observer state.

And what all non-dual teachers say is that you, the "I", can never 'enter' the pure awareness state, and there is no method you can use to enter that state.  Because if there is a someone that enters that state that is still in duality and entering or any method requires time, and the pure awareness is in a timeless state.

If I have understood it correctly only pure awareness or Source is in that state. The "I", someone, can't be in that state. But if I am not mistaken in that state there is only awareness and there is no self awareness. To have self awareness, you need a self, an "I", a soul-person which requires time and duality.

But we can be aware of that pure awareness state because we are not just an "I", a soul-person, but we are BOTH Source/Pure Awareness AND have the illusion of being a separate soul-person. We are not ONLY a soul-person, we are BOTH Source/Pure Awareness AND a soul-person at the same time.

It's not the soul-person that becomes enlightened or that enters that state. It's just realizing experiencially that the separate self, the separate soul-person, is an illusion and that your true nature is the Absolute Self, Source, Pure Awareness. But it's not the soul-person that realizes this. And it can be realized because we are not ONLY the soul-self but we BOTH are already Source AND at the same time there is the illusion of being someone.

But it's not Source that has that illusion. Source just IS. And that illusion just IS too. Source and the illusion of being someone just are, just exist, and are NOT TOUCHING. A someone from the illusion cannot exit the illusion and enter Source. Nor Source enters the illusion and has illusions or does things or plays characters.

Both Source and the illusory world of duality just are, just exist and are not touching. Just like a fictional character in lord of the rings exists only inside the fictional world and can't exit that world and enter into the real world. The fictional character getting enlightened is still part of the fictional story and is still happening in time and in duality. It's not the person that gets enlightened. But we are not only a fictional someone inside the divine fictional world. We are BOTH Pure Source AND we have the illusion of being someone inside a world of duality.

(And that's also why it's not totally accurate to say Source does this or does that or Source is having the illusion of being someone. The reality of Source and the illusory reality of the soul-person are not touching just like the reality of lord of the rings and the reality of our world are not touching, and Gandalf can't exit that world and enter our world. But again we are not only the fictional character, we are both realities, we are always also the real reality, the Original Source, we are always both a fictional character inside the illusion AND we already are the Pure Source too at the same time without having to do anything to get there or be there.)

And I haven't experienced that state of pure awareness (I haven't realized experiencially yet that I am already Self-Realized or God-Realized haha) so I am not speaking from experience.

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"If you do feel pulled in, to save, protect, others, I would suggest to examine the energy of the “guardian” instead. Not the weaponized guardian, but the guardian like an impenetrable wall energy. No consequences to who tries to trespass, just an impossibility of getting through." - Inelia

Jupiter 9

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Re: Samadhi

I used to ask here what is the daily mental state of Taygetans. I don't see answers from any of video. My guess is probably mostly of time they are in kind of thoughtless state. If like us all day all kind of garbage thoughts jumping into the mind, they are not able to communicate telepathically.

I remember them mentioning that the in Taygeta they learn how to meditate from when they are toddlers:

From the transcript/video: How to Raise Your Frequency: Direct Message from the Pleiadian Contact (8)

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"[...]
Gosia: People ask me about the meditation technique. Any you can recommend?

Swaruu (9): Meditation techniques... I cannot say the names because I don't know them, I only know Taygetan ways, not Terran techniques by name.

Gosia: Please share! How do you meditate? How do you connect with the Source?

Swaruu (9): It's a lot simpler than on Earth. On Earth the techniques are very strict, almost military to my opinion. You must follow rules or else they don't work, or so they say. In Taygeta you are taught meditation since you are a toddler. Simply to hold still when you feel the need to, when you feel off your center. You don't have to be in a lotus position. That's an Earth concept. Just be as comfortable as you can, but preferably not completely lying down as you could fall asleep. Your body must feel the difference between sleeping time and intention and meditating time.

Then once comfortable use music, if you have any. In case you are in a ship it's particularly useful to use headphones that cover your entire ears because it helps to isolate you from all the constant ever present ambient sounds that are very distracting. Concentrate on the music, that helps to stop thought. Meditate also using crystals, one in each hand, Lapiz Lazuli or Amethyst on your third eye area, with a head band. This helps you concentrate on your third eye area on your forehead. And it also opens your senses and all your psychic abilities. We meditate by stopping the mind, but it's not a problem for Taygetans, because we all meditate since we were little. So, stopping the mind is not something I can really describe how to from a human-necessity point of view.

One on each hand, back straight (depends on each person) and you simply relax and turn the mind off like with a switch. Just enjoy your time there, usually 40 min to an hour and it feels like you've slept like three hours, very energy refreshing. I guess the biggest difference is our ability to silence the mind just about immediately.

Gosia: Do mantras help? Breathing techniques?

Swaruu (9): We don't use mantras, that's an Earth concept. Breathing techniques, that's to silence the mind, concentrate on your breathing, yes do it, but we don't. We do use music. Soft relaxing music or ambient sounds like water, seaside waterfall or rain. [...]"

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"If you do feel pulled in, to save, protect, others, I would suggest to examine the energy of the “guardian” instead. Not the weaponized guardian, but the guardian like an impenetrable wall energy. No consequences to who tries to trespass, just an impossibility of getting through." - Inelia

HiddenSquid

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Re: Samadhi

You can't have a sense of self and be truly disassociated from your consciousness. The 2 are the same.

Jupiter 9

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And I also remember this being mentioned about Yazhi's daily state:

From the transcript/video: Swaruu and Yazhi - Their Differences - PART 2

Yazhi: "[...] Sleeping habits:

Swaruu 9: Short 4 to 6 hour sleep cycles, then as many as 40+ hours awake. Full sleep with REM.

Swaruu 12: Multiple, short, 2 to 4 hour sleep cycles plus long 8h + sleeping times, not defined by time of the day or night. Lucid-conscious dreaming all the time she is asleep, and full astral travel at will during sleeping time and also fully awake.

Meditation:

Swaruu 9: Meditation times, once or twice a day, traditional.

Swaruu 12: Meditation at will, consciousness mostly in meditation, if not always, at deep trance at will and without losing awareness.

Most issues as in past trauma resolved in Swaruu 12. [...]"

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"If you do feel pulled in, to save, protect, others, I would suggest to examine the energy of the “guardian” instead. Not the weaponized guardian, but the guardian like an impenetrable wall energy. No consequences to who tries to trespass, just an impossibility of getting through." - Inelia

HiddenSquid

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Re: Samadhi

If you want more information on non-duality or rather a pointer about it all, I suggest reading "I Am That" by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj or it's also called "I Am That, Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj".

Jupiter 9

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You can't have a sense of self and be truly disassociated from your consciousness. The 2 are the same.

I used the term disidentification not dissociation if you are referring to that. And in disidentification there is still someone that is not identified with anything. There is still consciousness and that which consciousness is being conscious of. There is still duality.

While our Source state just is awareness itself. It's not being aware of something. We could say that in that state we are aware of everything but if we are aware of absolutely everything we are not aware of something in particular. There is no awareness of a particular self in that state. I think. Don't quote me on this, I am not speaking from experience.

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"If you do feel pulled in, to save, protect, others, I would suggest to examine the energy of the “guardian” instead. Not the weaponized guardian, but the guardian like an impenetrable wall energy. No consequences to who tries to trespass, just an impossibility of getting through." - Inelia

Jupiter 9

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Re: Samadhi

If you want more information on non-duality or rather a pointer about it all, I suggest reading "I Am That" by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj or it's also called "I Am That, Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj".

I started reading it a few years ago but wasn't ready for it. I started reading it a few months ago and now I understand (intellectually) what he is talking about. I haven't finished reading it yet. Ramana Maharshi is also a non dual teacher I like. And also I like listening to Lisa Cairns and Louise Kay. Also A Course In Miracles is a good non-dual material for western people especially if they have a strong attachment to Jesus.

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"If you do feel pulled in, to save, protect, others, I would suggest to examine the energy of the “guardian” instead. Not the weaponized guardian, but the guardian like an impenetrable wall energy. No consequences to who tries to trespass, just an impossibility of getting through." - Inelia

Jupiter 9

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in any case, a human imagination is amazing. and just because it's a subjective dream-like sensation (even a delusion) does not make it meaningless, nor any less 'real' than any other collectively created collection of equally imaginary abstractions (referring to math and everything standing on it; or even language+culture as a body)

It is only an illusion when you see the illusion. It is only a dream when you wake up from the dream. While we are inside the illusion, while we are inside the dream, we experience everything as real and the experience is real. People have meaningful and valuable experiences even inside World of Warcraft.

There is no difference between our minds/imagination creating and experiencing living in reality bubbles based on lies and mind control, and between our minds/imagination creating and experiencing living in reality bubbles based on "5D" ideas and belief systems. It is just reality bubbles imagined/created by our minds/imagination.
And we don't live inside our imagination, we are our imagination. We don't live inside a reality, we are that reality.

The only difference between us and Yazhi for example is that we are imagining being incarnated in this reality and having amnesia and limitations while Yazhi is imagining being a girl born in hyperspace with much less amnesia and with less limitations. Both lives are equally"real" and equally valid and valuable. And they are both the imagination of "children of the ether". We are all equally powerful creator "TVs", we only differ on what we are currently imagining/playing on the screen.

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"If you do feel pulled in, to save, protect, others, I would suggest to examine the energy of the “guardian” instead. Not the weaponized guardian, but the guardian like an impenetrable wall energy. No consequences to who tries to trespass, just an impossibility of getting through." - Inelia

Exploringsoul

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Re: Samadhi

And I also remember this being mentioned about Yazhi's daily state:

From the transcript/video: Swaruu and Yazhi - Their Differences - PART 2

Yazhi: "[...] Sleeping habits:

Swaruu 9: Short 4 to 6 hour sleep cycles, then as many as 40+ hours awake. Full sleep with REM.

Swaruu 12: Multiple, short, 2 to 4 hour sleep cycles plus long 8h + sleeping times, not defined by time of the day or night. Lucid-conscious dreaming all the time she is asleep, and full astral travel at will during sleeping time and also fully awake.

Meditation:

Swaruu 9: Meditation times, once or twice a day, traditional.

Swaruu 12: Meditation at will, consciousness mostly in meditation, if not always, at deep trance at will and without losing awareness.

Most issues as in past trauma resolved in Swaruu 12. [...]"

Thank you Jupiter. How did I miss this video!

Yazhi's state of consciousness is similar like which many traditional spiritual teaching trying to achieve.

Swaruu 9 is more like human.

HiddenSquid

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Re: Samadhi

You can't be truly disassociated/disidentified (to me they're one and the same) and have consciousness. But you can disidentify/disassociate from aspects of your consciousness, which is endless in content.

And no I don't think it's proper to compare Yazhi with that of the many hindu/buddhist spiritual practices and thoughts. I mean which one are you referring to anyways? There's so many in that realm.

If you must categorize her from a hindu point of view,  to me she's like a gnani and bhogi rolled into one. She's a keeper/seeker of wisdom, as well as a seeker of new adventure. She isn't what you would call a Yogi, as they're seeking the truth, which I'd say she already has it.  These are just my opinions.

HiddenSquid

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Oh and also translating hindu thought (from which Era? And under what extraterrestrial influence?) into current 3D Matrix English Thought Paradigms doesn't go so well without a lot of cross-referencing text material... In my opinion. Unless of course that's what you're attempting to do.

And of course English does have an infusion of many, many thought concepts neuro-linguistically speaking from various cultures all over the world, including India and South-East Asia.