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#26 2024-04-01 19:33:37

Re: Monitoring Spirits Part 1&2 - Mari Swaruu

Aleksander wrote:

I do not like that they are lying to other people. If they are visiting particular places often then this is only natural to try to interact with such person as employee or business runner. Even if those are just folks who do shpppings and met/saw crewmate many times ealier. Lying is bad, creative answering is pretty ok.
If this would be a random question from random person that is not even familiar with Toleka crewmate, then this is another story. But there are already enough lies held on this planet since millennia, so let’s not use this disgusting weapon ourselves while being aware and creative beings able to solve problems other ways.

In ideal society Taygetan starseeds would be more than happy to do few errands for actual Taygetans.


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#27 2024-04-01 19:57:19

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Aleksander wrote:

I do not like that they are lying to other people. If they are visiting particular places often then this is only natural to try to interact with such person as employee or business runner. Even if those are just folks who do shpppings and met/saw crewmate many times ealier. Lying is bad, creative answering is pretty ok.
If this would be a random question from random person that is not even familiar with Toleka crewmate, then this is another story. But there are already enough lies held on this planet since millennia, so let’s not use this disgusting weapon ourselves while being aware and creative beings able to solve problems other ways.

Taygetans come here undercover to purchase necessities & undertake other activities. They aren’t going to reveal who they are to the shopkeeper.

What do you expect them to say?

No one is lying about anything. It’s just polite conversation and humorous banter :)

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#28 2024-04-01 20:03:19

Ariya
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Celestial Marriage wrote:

In ideal society Taygetan starseeds would be more than happy to do few errands for actual Taygetans.

I happily volunteer to run some errands for the taygetans …

But I think maybe they like coming down to Earth for a shopping trip?

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#29 2024-04-01 20:06:35

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If one is prepared, one does not fear. Or fears less. This is how the veil is used against people.


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#30 2024-04-01 21:10:46

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Ariya wrote:

Taygetans come here undercover to purchase necessities & undertake other activities. They aren’t going to reveal who they are to the shopkeeper.

What do you expect them to say?

No one is lying about anything. It’s just polite conversation and humorous banter smile

I don't know specific cases so I won't elaborate about this more. But ending this one if this is like I wrote in previous comment then there are dozens of ways to don't lie. I don't know how you perceive Taygetans, and Toleka crew more strictly, but for me they are humans from other planet, Lyras more correctly. On Toleka they are engineers, medics, navigators, pilots, researchers and more I guess. Would it hurt to say "I am a pilot", " I collect data", "I assist with surgeries" for example. If someone becomes annoying then "I don't want to say" when asked for details is enough. There is no reason to lie as I wrote.

When I heard what Minerva said I instantly got struck with sad feelings.

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#31 2024-04-01 21:22:08

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Aleksander wrote:
Ariya wrote:

Taygetans come here undercover to purchase necessities & undertake other activities. They aren’t going to reveal who they are to the shopkeeper.

What do you expect them to say?

No one is lying about anything. It’s just polite conversation and humorous banter smile

I don't know specific cases so I won't elaborate about this more. But ending this one if this is like I wrote in previous comment then there are dozens of ways to don't lie. I don't know how you perceive Taygetans, and Toleka crew more strictly, but for me they are humans from other planet, Lyras more correctly. On Toleka they are engineers, medics, navigators, pilots, researchers and more I guess. Would it hurt to say "I am a pilot", " I collect data", "I assist with surgeries" for example. If someone becomes annoying then "I don't want to say" when asked for details is enough. There is no reason to lie as I wrote.

When I heard what Minerva said I instantly got struck with sad feelings.

By that definition it was not a lie. The point would be moot to give information you suggested. That was the point of the video.



account /ə-kount′/
noun
A narrative or record of events.

So an accountant is someone recording events.

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#32 2024-04-01 22:54:58

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Aleksander wrote:

When I heard what Minerva said I instantly got struck with sad feelings.

Maria gave this advice to earthlings in the key: "It is better for _you_ to lie than to bring troubles on your head that you will not be able to resist." This does not mean that she called for lying everywhere and in everything. A Swaruunian can do without lying in such cases. What I personally noticed about them is that they avoid lying in every possible way. As well as feeding with empty promises.
[spoiler]Мария давала этот совет землянам в ключе: "Лучше уж _вам_ соврать, чем навести на свою голову беды, которым вы не сможете противостать". Это не значит, что она  призывала лгать везде и во всем. Сваруанец в подобных случаях сможет  обойтись и без лжи. Что лично я в них заметил, так то что они всячески избегают лгать. Как и кормить пустыми обещаниями.[/spoiler]

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#33 2024-04-01 23:12:39

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Aleksander wrote:
Ariya wrote:

Taygetans come here undercover to purchase necessities & undertake other activities. They aren’t going to reveal who they are to the shopkeeper.

What do you expect them to say?

No one is lying about anything. It’s just polite conversation and humorous banter smile

I don't know specific cases so I won't elaborate about this more. But ending this one if this is like I wrote in previous comment then there are dozens of ways to don't lie. I don't know how you perceive Taygetans, and Toleka crew more strictly, but for me they are humans from other planet, Lyras more correctly. On Toleka they are engineers, medics, navigators, pilots, researchers and more I guess. Would it hurt to say "I am a pilot", " I collect data", "I assist with surgeries" for example. If someone becomes annoying then "I don't want to say" when asked for details is enough. There is no reason to lie as I wrote.

When I heard what Minerva said I instantly got struck with sad feelings.

I believe there might be a slight exaggeration, and perhaps a touch of dramatic flair in your perspective when you use the word "lie".

Based on their past experiences, they believe this is the most effective approach to manage the situation. They've encountered deception numerous times before, and there have been ongoing efforts to undermine them indirectly through the manipulation of information, hence they need to proceed with caution, specially on Earth.

They cannot be fully transparent about personal details, excessive scrutiny from unfamiliar individuals could inadvertently lead to the disclosure of sensitive information, and be used against them.

In the end, what you do for a living is nobody else's business, specially coming from a stranger, and they know who are the "strangers" and who are not.

I'm unsure why this issue has caused you such concern, but I perfectly understand your intention behind it.

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#34 2024-04-02 06:20:48

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In a case of adversary who is lacking ethics/morals and using treacherous tactics to put you down, you do not own them honesty and fairness. You cannot be open honest with them because they will going to burn and bury you with your honesty and good intentions. It is a psychological warfare in such cases. You become a weapon to protect yourself.

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#35 2024-04-02 07:59:48

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Earth science limitations, I’ve talked about in other videos, and the very five or maybe six senses of the human body lock the soul's perception into believing that only what they can perceive is real.

But what those five or six human senses can detect and the super controlled and limited science there, make up a false reality that is only a small fraction of the greater one, which finally is only the result of the limited belief systems that make up the Matrix on Earth.

And Souls go there for the learning experience, they say. Therefore, even the Galactic Federation does its best to avoid any kind of contamination or cooperation that there is anything more, anything greater than what those five or six human senses and their corroborating limited science can convey.

All souls are pure consciousness, but when they are embodied they are deluded because of these senses. And these senses make the matrix. These senses make the duality of good and bad. So the federation does not want us to know more than what we understand with the senses. The matrix will end if we are not guided by the senses. Yes but the members of the federation have senses too and what they know is also limited.


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#36 2024-04-02 08:27:32

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I agree with Ariya, Mitkobs and Alec.

In a world full of scammers, it is better to keep your personal information to yourself. If you are too trusting, that’s a recipe for disaster on Earth.

Also, it’s rude to ask people for personal information if they do not consider you a close friend. In fact, even close friends do not ask these questions sometimes because true friends do not want to impose or make you feel uncomfortable.

It is wrong to think that people have the right to ask you personal questions. Or else why do we have privacy laws enshrined in almost all countries.

Lastly, if a stranger asks a stupid, intrusive question, they deserve an equally stupid and intrusive answer.

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#37 2024-04-02 11:19:35

Ariya
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Scott Summers wrote:

In a world full of scammers, it is better to keep your personal information to yourself. If you are too trusting, that’s a recipe for disaster on Earth.

Also, it’s rude to ask people for personal information if they do not consider you a close friend. In fact, even close friends do not ask these questions sometimes because true friends do not want to impose or make you feel uncomfortable.

This is true. And also why most of us on Earth have an outer identity that we use to navigate the matrix. We would never survive if not.

Having strong boundaries is also important.

I’m always happily surprised at how much information has been shared by the Swa’s and Tays. They have trusted us with so much detailed information.

I really liked the little anecdote   ‘I’m an accountant’. It was a funny and light hearted way to illustrate what Mari was explaining to us. And another insight that deepens our understanding about extraterrestrial life. I appreciate it being shared.

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#38 2024-04-02 22:48:08

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Okay, so I want to factorize this video and the main thought of Marii. As I don't see that people here understand the differentiation between physical world and other worlds and some people reading this and listening to Marii's video can become paranoic about hiding all things and being stalked in every situation.

In physical world when you are asked (targeted) by possessed human vessel it is irrelevant if you hide your profession, your education, your car model or living place. Dark astral entities can get any typically system/matrix info they want, by simply following/observing you or by using other vessel that has access to particular database for example. And entering semi-physical world that is simple reflection of physical world but with more colors, visible astral entities, visible energy streams and more natural/energetical things those dark entities can come to your house, stare at you and do tricks to you. But only when you don't put a barrier or you resonate with their energy or they target you for some reason. Also you can be the real deal in terms of astral strength but this is another topic.

So my point is if you as earth human can't distinguish if the one asking you has evil intent or he just is curious because you interact with him/her many times then there is no reason to lie or be rude. For example when receptionist girl asks me about something at the gym she does it because we meet each other every week here from a long time. And that would be the same when you do groceries/shopping, since one man see me in his shop from years we say hello to each other while passing on the street and exchange few words (rarely).

Going back to Toleka crew, there is already a list/document on the internet (outdated one in some way but still correct I guess) about them, what is each crewmate doing and for what he/she is responsible for. So there is no reason to lie instead of saying simple "I am a pilot/researcher" as I said earlier. Noone is saying they need to be specific and I said they cut the dialogue when someone becomes pushy.

What is important to remember and understand from this topic is that when you are doing something that system/matrix/those entities wouldn't want you to do then you should keep this info only for yourself. Like everything that can make you or people who are with you stronger and more dangerous against system. And for sure those are not things I mentioned above like job profession. I hope this clears why I had bad feelings about lying in this particular example given in video. They know what they are doing, we know what we are and what we should be doing. Let's leave it here.

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#39 2024-04-03 06:12:59

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Have to watch for red flags. In general strangers are not to be trusted especially when you sense they act entirely selfishly with ulterior motives. And also have to be able to detect pretense and falsity in their presented persona and why even approaching you and talking to you, what they are up to. If you are not able to figure out manipulation when someone is approaching you things may turn for the worse.

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#40 2024-04-03 08:00:26

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What does it matter what they say when they come to Earth in the store? Why should anyone ask them who they are? If they say they're aliens they won't be believed and will even put an end to future questions. Lol
Doesn't the Federation lie a lot more? Who holds them accountable for lying?


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#41 2024-04-03 09:35:51

Ariya
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Aleksander wrote:

(…)

Going back to Toleka crew, there is already a list/document on the internet (outdated one in some way but still correct I guess) about them, what is each crewmate doing and for what he/she is responsible for. So there is no reason to lie instead of saying simple "I am a pilot/researcher" as I said earlier. Noone is saying they need to be specific and I said they cut the dialogue when someone becomes pushy.

(… )

On Tolèka there are many functions to be fulfilled.

The expedition is on and in Earth orbit and so they require the use of Earth funds to purchase necessities and fund projects.

There will also be roles assigned for the accountancy/ bursary/ procurement and  financial aspect of the mission.

This would be the case both when they were receiving funds from the Federation, and now as they receive donations and other income.

So we can add to the list of roles on the Toleka ‘accountant’ along with pilot, researcher, surgeon, baker, mogyyai & cat feeder, amongst others.

And unlike on Earth where we often specialise in one profession, Taygetans are very holistic and multi skilled.

The Taygetans understand human society very well and they use their insight to find common ground with us to interact with.

So, the point of the small story within the larger lesson, was not to create doubt as to whether there is an accountant in the crew’s skill set, but to illustrate that there is a light hearted way to divert unnecessary attention to you should you be in a similar situation.

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#42 2024-04-03 23:49:57

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I don't think Earth's binary 'morality' necessarily applies to the actions of those outside our bubble. Why would the Taygetans adhere to a system of ethics born of humanity's generally limited way of thinking?

Even on Earth as a "human", life may be complicated enough for some of us that we don't often trust anyone or give any details about anything we don't have to. A joke is a nice way to diffuse someone's curiosity without really giving an answer. I think the Taygetan fellow handles the situation well.

I think the advice in these videos is worth following, too. It doesn't pay to be overly paranoid, but awareness is very important. I wish I'd been thinking on my toes a lot more often when I was younger, honestly. The number of times I let someone get close to me only to find the situation wasn't as I thought eventually turned me into a recluse. (Note, I'm starting to tell you too much.) It's very hard to even go in public, let alone trust anyone I interact with. (I'm going to stop typing before I give away the whole show.)


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#43 2024-04-04 13:41:59

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In any case, it seems much more honest for me to realize that I can be put in such conditions that I will have to lie (at least in order not to expose my friends - especially when they are threatened with death) than self-delusion that I am all honest and righteous and will never lie. You can't lie for your own benefit or because of your shame. But if it threatens family/friends and I was imprudent enough to lead myself to "either tell the truth or lie," then I'd better lie. Of the two evils, the lesser is chosen, especially if the "lesser" affects only me.
[spoiler]Для меня в любом случае выглядит куда более честным осознание того, что я могу быть поставлен в такие условия, что вынужден буду покривить душой/ солгать (хотя бы ради того, чтоб не подставлять своих друзей - тем паче при угрозе смерти для них), чем самообольщение, что я весь такой честный и праведный и никогда не солгу. Лгать нельзя ради своей выгоды или из-за своего стыда. Но если это угрожает семье/ друзьям и я оказался достаточно неосмотрителен, чтоб привести себя к "либо говори правду либо солги", то лучше уж солгу. Из двух зол выбирают меньшее, особенно если "меньшее" затрагивает только меня.[/spoiler]

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