HELL IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE WHERE YOU CAN NEVER BE HAPPY

CHARCOtranquilo · 2021-08-10 09:36:02

It is your desire for physical immortality, which is nothing more than your fear of disappearing into absolute nothingness, that traps you in this illusion that you call physical reality, in which you are stuck, where your life becomes more and more miserable and hellish and where you can hardly find relief from physical life. You may resist the pain and it may even be the subject of great procrastination, but after a while, you will want relief.

That is why physical immortality would be like Hell itself. Because Hell is not a terrible place. Hell is a beautiful place where you can never be happy. If Hell were a terrible place you would want to escape immediately. But if it were a beautiful place you would be ambivalent about leaving it. It attracts you. It seduces you. It gives you hope and encouragement and yet it limits you. It harms you, deprives you, and disappoints you. Hell is a beautiful place where you can never be happy.

This is what keeps people from returning to their Source-the attempt to find happiness where happiness cannot be found, the attempt to find meaning where meaning cannot be found, the attempt to make separation work, the attempt to make separation satisfying, and the attempt to satisfy their ambition for separation and their desire for separation.

People attain wealth and power, and yet they are unhappy. People achieve their goals, and yet they are unhappy. People have all kinds of pleasures and advantages, and yet they are unhappy. You know this. It is evident all around you, and yet everyone keeps asking for the same wealth, the same beauty and the same advantages, knowing that this does not really make a difference. It only traps you further in a set of circumstances in which you cannot find the Source of your fulfillment or your inner guidance.

Crystal Dragon · 2021-08-10 17:59:32

In a lot of ways, very true. One thing I personally avoid and would recommend avoiding, is the dichotomy that physical incarnation and 3d is inherently worthless or evil, that is HAS to be hell. Beings and societies make it hell by their free will and lessons, but this physical world is still part of the greater whole. All densities are one. All is one. Higher and lower are illusions. The material world is as divine as any, if we would but make it so with our vibrations and actions it would be more apparent, but it is divine nonetheless. It's not something to escape. To separate from. That's not how you "beat the game" at all.

Embody the higher principles and bring their light into the physical world. Integrate the ego and shadow for the highest good. Easier said than done, but that's what we are here for. If this was a worthless construct we would have stayed in source and never made this happen.

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mitkobs · 2021-08-11 04:50:45

It is our desires that cannot be fulfilled because we are in conditions of hell, these impossible to fulfill desires makes us miserable. For example they show us constantly on media the American dream and tell us that anything is possible, only have to work hard and obey the rules. But this is an illusion and a trap that is intended to seduce you and to go on this path of wanting and pursuing smoking mirrors.

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Happiness have to be found within, to be always self sufficient in consciousness. External world(3D/4D) including other people should not be pursued for happiness. External world have to be seen only as means and motivation to establish self sufficient internal world.

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Vega · 2021-08-11 18:38:11

One positive way to look at hell and evil:

Hell is a region inside heaven, it's not a place outside heaven.

That's why a real hell cannot exist, only a fake hell that is temporarily made real by people that trick themselves into believing it is real and thus making it temporarily real for themselves, using a self imposed veil of forgetfullness.

Hell and evil can only be made real and maintained by real people that have chosen to forget that it is not real in order to have that experience for the purposes of soul evolution.

There is no place where there is no light and love. We just cover that love and the light with a dark veil to create the illusion of darkness and evil.

There is only source. Everything is made out of source. And source cannot be evil or dark. Evil and darkness are illusions created using a clever trick involving amnesia.

mitkobs · 2021-08-12 04:20:16

Darkness as consciousness is all that is made by some souls unconscious/subconscious. They concentrated on the energy of fear and most probably did not understand what it is, for them it were something so shocking, disturbing and repulsive that they become unconscious to it. But little they knew that nothing can stay to be unconscious pushed in the back, in the corner, it manifests in ways that cannot be ignored anymore, to make its creators conscious about it, to make them realize what they had done and to address the unconscious and make it again conscious, to liberate it from its chains(cages) so to say.

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Robert369 · 2021-08-12 16:09:13

Brahman wrote:

I think that without illusion there can be no universe.

Right, from he highest view all reality is but an illusion, as there's only consciousness that truly exists and it sends out energy/waves to create those illusions as wave patterns that e.g. form what we call matter, but anything else in existence as well. Or, as Yazhi/Swaruu calls it: Everything is an idea - e.g. one of Source itself, including being many in a phantasmic universe.

Robert369 · 2021-08-12 17:40:44

Brahman wrote:

who were the first beings in the universe and how exactly they evolved as a form?

There truly is no actual form, as everything is just consciousness, thoughts, ideas and waves. Though the latter can "form" patterns too, which we consider e.g. the physical world, etc..

Robert369 · 2021-08-12 18:52:18

Brahman wrote:

Robert369 wrote:
Brahman wrote:
who were the first beings in the universe and how exactly they evolved as a form?
There truly is no actual form, as everything is just consciousness, thoughts, ideas and waves. Though the latter can "form" patterns too, which we consider e.g. the physical world, etc..
so there is no need to worry about our bodies. they don't exist except in our minds.

Well, the bodies exist as energy/wave pattern to allow setting a consciousness focus point to make certain experiences from that viewpoint, so yes they do exist but not physically as there is no real "physicality". It is just that a certain range of frequencies and wave patterns is commonly called "physicality".

Everything is consciousness (split up into less and less awareness of how everything works to allow "more immersed experiences"), the wave patterns that these consciousnesses emit into the ether (some of which are "bodies"), and their consciousness attention points that focus on these "bodies" as vessels to make experiences from that viewpoint.

CHARCOtranquilo · 2021-08-12 23:25:11

Brahman wrote:

Was there a time when the illusion did not exist in the universe or was it always an integral part of existence?

An illusion implies by definition something that does not exist or that is false, therefore, that which does not exist cannot be part of Truth. It is highly paradoxical to understand that illusion is the only one that asks about the "reality of its existence" and this is because its certainty about its consistency is intrinsically compromised by its illusory nature; that which is nothing cannot establish its existence since from nothing, nothing can arise. This proposition reveals that illusion cannot be part of existence and that existence as understood by illusion, by definition, has its days numbered.

This calls into question the widespread idea that Source, integrates illusion or is part of illusion or even the creationist idea that Source "creates" illusion. If the nature of thought is illusory, what can it "create" that gives reality or existence and consistency to "its creations"? All transitory states are by definition false and anything that can be perceived implies that it has to be devised. This includes any change of your feelings, any alteration of the conditions of your body or mind; as well as any change of consciousness including the consciousness of that universe you say you "see out there".

Therefore, Source does not need to "integrate illusion" because that which is NOTHING, does not need nor can it be integrated because it simply does not exist. Source does not contain opposites because its all-encompassing condition is TOTAL and this is what distinguishes illusion from reality, from existent and non-existent. If the Source "created" illusions, a part of its Reality would be a lie and therefore its existence would be in a position of ambiguity and uncertainty. To understand this is fundamental and even more fundamental is to understand that the idea of creationism that is attributed to the Source can only arise from that which is limited by time, because its references can only be established within the same limits that time imposes on it: everything has a beginning and an end.

The act of Creation that expresses the nature of the Source is not an act as understood by the time-limited mind of man and the countless races that populate this apparent physical universe. His Creations are NOT creations of things, objects, nescient beings, universes full of galaxies, nor of wave patterns, nor frequencies of high or low vibration, nor even something called "ether". All this belongs to the realm of separation because in order to create, time needs to be divided into processes, which begin and end, which evolve and expand and extinguish in an infinite infernal loop of such a degree of insubstantiality as of direction and sense.

Creation with capital letters, is beyond this, because the Source does not need to recognize itself in this creationist illusion of man because it exists independently of this universe that seems to exist. The Source creates Reality without distorting it, which exceeds the comprehension and the capacity of understanding and "creation" of those beings submerged in the mind limited by time.

Brahman wrote:

Will the illusion end in the future or is it the reason for the existence of the dual universe? I think that without illusion there can be no universe.

Evidently, as stated above, the reason for the existence of the universe can only be based on separation or, in other words, on the duality of opposites and on the belief that you can perceive yourself as separate from what you see. And certainly, without the illusion of separation the universe could NOT exist.

On the other hand, to say whether that which "never existed, i.e. the illusion will end in the future is an oxymoron. The illusion in the "eyes" of the Source, never happened, happens, nor will happen.

However, for you the illusion is still a reality that you cannot now deny because it is still beyond your understanding. It does not mean that you cannot come to this understanding, now, at this very moment, but your mind as it is governed by time seems to still need a lot of experience and processes called states of consciousness for the solution to be accepted and experienced directly.

But there is something more incomprehensible and paradoxical for the time-bound mind: when the separation or illusion seemed to occur even before it happened, the solution was given instantaneously. This instantaneousness is what allows you to reach this Understanding and break through the illusion and separation, without the need to plan through the intervals of time.

Few are, as yet, those who accept without hindrance that the liberation from this illusory reality of this separation that you now believe you are experiencing NEVER HAPPENED. That is why it is still the illusion of many souls that it seems that it will end in the future.

Crystal Dragon · 2021-08-12 23:36:44

Hell isn't a place. It's a state of being.

CHARCOtranquilo · 2021-08-12 23:49:37

There is no difference between Being in a state and being in a place. You are in the place where you exist and you are in the world that you are.

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mitkobs · 2021-08-13 04:44:21

Illusions comes from fragmented selves - souls. The fragmented selves are already compromise which is lower vibration and is also losing some consciousness(becoming unconscious-ignorant). Source is perfection, which means completion in every way possible. Anything that is projected from Source or from the function of the Creator within the Source is complete/perfect. Every idea from the original Creator lives forever and cannot be destroyed, displaced, ignored, changed.
Illusion is not complete/perfect and because of that is not sustainable in time and its fate is imminently self-destruction.

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mitkobs · 2021-08-13 08:51:05

I think that there is objective reality which is unchangeable and perfect. To be present in this objective reality have to become compatible with its highest frequencies. Until we are not compatible for us will seems that there is no objective reality, like everything around in spirit world is changing with our thoughts which are also frequencies.

CHARCOtranquilo · 2021-08-14 16:31:11

Brahman wrote:

This witness that there was nothing must be this consciousness again,

This is the door without a door to liberation.

Brahman wrote:

Clearly, if nothing really exists, there is no need for liberation.

Yes, indeed. This Understanding emerges lucid and diaphanous when enlightenment is attained: The very need for liberation is the obstacle to liberation.

Brahman wrote:

The Source is unconscious, not realizing this illusion, without thoughts and ideas about the universe and creation / existence.
This is the absolute nothingness.

The Source is neither "conscious" nor "unconscious" of the illusion, these are erroneous terms in the dual description of something beyond the reach of the limited mind.

It is not that Source is "unconscious" of "illusion" because Source is TOTAL in its Consciousness and therefore REAL in its presence. But this reality is beyond any abstraction derived from imagination, logic, or intellective scholarship.

The Source cannot be absolute nothingness. This description arises from the also dual idea that existence is something and non-existence is nothing. This conclusion is actually a form of nihilism derived from the inability to understand that that which is present, but empty of objects/subject is not equal to nothing. As I have already said, nothing can NOT emerge from nothingness.

However, there is a more insightful way to point to "that nothing" without falling into a nihilistic positivism:
The correct proposition would be: THAT which IS the Source, (which is not nothingness) is all that REMAINS, which was NOT with you when the world/universe is NOT.

Note that what "names "that with you" is not nothingness, but it is not a something either...

mitkobs · 2021-08-15 05:36:11

Source is an absolute untouched presence. It is here and now with(in, within) all things - objects and subjects but only like an observer, devoid of involvement/participation in any way.

CHARCOtranquilo · 2021-08-15 15:36:25

mitkobs wrote:

Source is an absolute untouched presence. It is here and now with(in, within) all things - objects and subjects but only like an observer, devoid of involvement/participation in any way.

Yes, it is.

Immanence is one of the attributes that represents this apparently physical world where you seem to live. Immanence is that point of connection with the Source that keeps that larval memory deposited like a seed waiting to hatch as soon as conditions are conducive to its activation.

The Source is now beyond this "universe" and beyond this consciousness that keeps you chained to the intervals of time that is occurring on a level of your mind which does not understand the meaning of all that you see with your senses. These senses are only set up to recognize the "physical objects" that are in motion and sounds that you perceive as constantly changing.

This is especially confusing to human understanding and to all races living in this universe of intelligent life. ALL are experiencing separation and evolution. This evolution involves the evolution of consciousness, the development of technology and social establishments on every conceivable level.
All of this is occurring within this immutable PRESENCE.

Change is the constant in this universe that you thought you created when you thought you separated yourself from Source. If this universe never changed there would be no hope. You would not move forward to free yourself from this illusion. And even if this physical reality you believe you are in were immutable and fully satisfied all your needs, after a time of weariness and living in an uncomfortable and troublesome body you would feel the need to free yourself from this biological enchainment you have chosen. But you could not free yourself in this case, because you would have established a kind of immortality in your imagined physical reality and would be trapped as you now experience it.

If you ever thought that immortality in this apparent physical realm was desirable, it is important for you to understand that such a state would be a hell that you could never get rid of because you would nevertheless continue to believe and hope in it and try to make it work.

That is why the constant change, expansion and evolution you experience in this apparent physical reality is what keeps you in the false hope and promise that your higher purpose and need can be fulfilled here.

However, although there seems to be separation which you feed and persevere in this universe every day, every time you perceive yourself to be different and unique, where everything is changing and mutating in a constant birth and death the ultimate reality is that you have NEVER left Source. It is here and now waiting to be revealed in all its expression and manifestation and magnificence, for that is what you have never stopped BEING.

mitkobs · 2021-08-18 08:49:54

The very simple revelation is - it does not matter, we are always the Source. Whatever we go through as personalities, due to the separation illusion, we are still the Source and we cannot be anything else than the Source. We can make million illusions of being something else/different, but in the core we are Source and it is unchangeable, rock solid peace/balance/ within, a force unimaginable, unconceivable by any means, a force of billion suns, a super being, a super mind. This is you, this is me, this is everyone who read this topic and everyone who do not read it. We are everything that is, always and forever.

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mitkobs · 2021-08-24 12:21:56

People save themselves. Those who are here to help are only providing information and examples in order the sleepy sheepies to have more choices to choose from. Because in this reality everything is 99% manipulated by the cabal for the exclusive interests of the cabal and choices that are given to the public are illusions and with that they cannot liberate themselves from the matrix.

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