MariSwa: Extractions and their problems. Part 3

StarDeity · 2023-07-21 14:40:31

Thank you Mari dear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFyVY58XNjY

Bucegi · 2023-07-21 15:08:56

ok

mitkobs · 2023-07-21 16:34:07

What happened to Zadkiel shared in this video was a bit shocking. We are totally different person here than the person in 5D. More blunt and careless. Things that seem little and insignificant here can be important there and to make you come here again. Every relationship need to have a closure, all close people touched our lives in this reality we have be in peace with.

Celestial Marriage · 2023-07-21 16:58:03

I guess I would appreciate more videos on what Mari liked when she was ON EARTH in England.

Because she described living on ship as a bit claustrophobic. So, what was the best being down there?

CHARCOtranquilo · 2023-07-22 00:16:54

This is the best and most important sentence of ALL disclosure "We don't need to be extracted to be better versions of ourselves". It's clear that we can't run away from ourselves: the shit you haven't processed, will still be shit out there in 5D or any "D". Because following the path of cowards has its price; those who pretend to solve their failed lives using comfortable shortcuts to avoid the responsibility of assuming that there is a job to be done and that no "alien" or "terrestrial" can or will do it for you or anyone else.

The prison you have locked YOURSELF in, is not here on earth or "out there. NO. The prison in which you have voluntarily locked yourself up is IN YOUR MIND. That imaginary prison that you have so zealously concocted and that you feed and give reality every day; every time you put opium in the desire to be extracted by some supposed ET's, or every time you put the opium of hope in a new "love" that will give you that recognition and valuation that you think you need to feel special, unique.

This feeling of bastard specialism that is born from the darkest and darkest bowels of the most insidious and perverse selfishness, because it is disguised as good feelings and good intentions, All these psychological buffers are instruments of procrastination that tighten the chains of your mental dungeon and disable you and drain your will to assume in a mature and intelligent way, that in reality nobody can break the chains of your mind except you.

Few are those who have the true courage and bravery to go into that desert of absolute loneliness where you will find the only faithful traveling companion that can keep you company: YOU. And until you assume that vast desert of yourself in the most absolute company of your solitude, the chains of the mind that you now believe limit you, will not be able to transform their creaking into celestial music if you do not understand that you yourself forged them and the darkest of the prisons cannot be transformed into a shining beacon that illuminates the exit door if you do not realize that its lintel is supported on your own shoulders.

Until when are you willing to postpone your freedom at the cost of easy shortcuts, infantile romantic sentimentalisms and narcissistic hedonisms?....

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SSSany · 2023-07-22 11:44:46

Very interesting episode.
A lot of useful info. A lot of doubts answered.
Thank you Mari

Celestial Marriage · 2023-07-22 19:07:33

Brahman wrote:

Better out of the matrix than not knowing who you are and what you are here for. Whether by extraction or not, greetings to those who have left the matrix.

If you speak about Tays, many of them are in 5d matrix...

Crystal Dragon · 2023-07-23 00:11:30

CHARCOtranquilo wrote:

This is the best and most important sentence of ALL disclosure "We don't need to be extracted to be better versions of ourselves". It's clear that we can't run away from ourselves: the shit you haven't processed, will still be shit out there in 5D or any "D". Because following the path of cowards has its price; those who pretend to solve their failed lives using comfortable shortcuts to avoid the responsibility of assuming that there is a job to be done and that no "alien" or "terrestrial" can or will do it for you or anyone else.
The prison you have locked YOURSELF in, is not here on earth or "out there. NO. The prison in which you have voluntarily locked yourself up is IN YOUR MIND. That imaginary prison that you have so zealously concocted and that you feed and give reality every day; every time you put opium in the desire to be extracted by some supposed ET's, or every time you put the opium of hope in a new "love" that will give you that recognition and valuation that you think you need to feel special, unique.
This feeling of bastard specialism that is born from the darkest and darkest bowels of the most insidious and perverse selfishness, because it is disguised as good feelings and good intentions, All these psychological buffers are instruments of procrastination that tighten the chains of your mental dungeon and disable you and drain your will to assume in a mature and intelligent way, that in reality nobody can break the chains of your mind except you.
Few are those who have the true courage and bravery to go into that desert of absolute loneliness where you will find the only faithful traveling companion that can keep you company: YOU. And until you assume that vast desert of yourself in the most absolute company of your solitude, the chains of the mind that you now believe limit you, will not be able to transform their creaking into celestial music if you do not understand that you yourself forged them and the darkest of the prisons cannot be transformed into a shining beacon that illuminates the exit door if you do not realize that its lintel is supported on your own shoulders.
Until when are you willing to postpone your freedom at the cost of easy shortcuts, infantile romantic sentimentalisms and narcissistic hedonisms?....

You make some points I agree with, and some I don't. I agree with your point about "bastard specialism". It's good for people to believe in their own value, that they are each a unique, valued part of the universal whole. What is not good is the narcissism and elitism that permeates "starseed culture". People want to feel like they are "chosen" ones while others are not. The "blessed and the damned" theme of Abrahamic religions repackaged for those who consider themselves smarter than that. They even go as far as to speculate that people they see as not on their level of perceived "spirituality" don't have souls.

What I do not agree with is your devaluation of emotionality and romantic love. Yes, some people look for that sort of love for "recognition" and "valuation", and that isn't very healthy. Others have a more innocent approach and seek the giving and receiving of such love at face value, for the unique experience and the depth of interconnectedness with one other person on a level of two individuals which radiates outward to creation. I do not see that as "infantile".

What I personally see as "infantile" is the devaluation of such sentiments in a race for "spiritual supremacy". Spirituality devoid of emotion is not spirituality. There is no race to anywhere, only an endless journey. Negative, antisocial, narcissistic beings throw away sentimentality and emotionality in their pursuits of material supremacy, domination, and self-gratification. It disturbs me to see how some philosophies seem to call for the same mechanistic ruthlessness in the pursuit of spiritual power.

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Crystal Dragon · 2023-07-23 00:36:44

There are many negative paradigms one may encounter on their spiritual path, where two unhealthy extremes are presented and are found to be two sides of the same coin. Some of the obvious ones are left-wing and right-wing political ideologies, religiosity and atheism, and collectivist vs individualist philosophies. A bit deeper is the idea of service to self vs service to others, the ideas of predation and martyrdom. A predator makes others lose so they can win. A martyr makes themselves lose so others can win. The idea that someone has to lose for another person to win is called zero-sum thinking, and that is the coin in that case.

The paradigm that seems to "go over many people's heads" is hedonism vs asceticism. Hedonists are self-centered and solipsistic. They pursue shallow things, such as material wealth, gluttony with drugs and food, and casual sex that lacks in depth of emotional connection. Such pursuits don't lead to deep and genuine fulfillment. Ascetics are also self-centered and solipsistic. They doggedly pursue non-attachment and some idea of an ultimate, objective spiritual truth at the expense of interpersonal connection, emotionality, beauty, and joy. Such pursuits also fail to lead to deep and genuine fulfillment, though on the surface there can appear to be the notion that they are more valuable than hedonistic pursuits. The coin is that of being shallow and mechanistic and discarding emotionality, thus discarding depth and wholeness. Ascetic philosophies seem to have a huge depth that supposedly bores with pinpoint precision towards source, yet source is all things. Turn that ultra narrow line of focus horizontally and picture it as a stream of water. Shallow.

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mitkobs · 2023-07-23 07:25:39

Every reality could be said it is illusion and only Source is real but life is not possible without illusions. And there could be very good experiences being in illusions. 5D will have its own charms and of course own downfalls. 3D is artificial and awful with losing memory of your previous identities but also serves great purposes for personal soul growth along with being used in such situation when you have regressive destructive forces that are a threat to normal life in 5D.

Gabriel · 2023-07-23 12:40:05

Brahman wrote:

The Taygetans are in the same matrix but in 5D. And they should, having more abilities, understand earlier that they are in a matrix. But it seems the Federation is brainwashing there too. Matrix thinking is to think this is normal. That the matrix is necessary. If it is necessary why is there no matrix in high densities? Because illusions are not a priority there. If it's a game why are they so zealous to keep everyone from getting out by extraction or finding out who they are? Either way they will find out here or there. If you're still bound there by the consequences of that incarnation why can you still come back here? Maybe that is the purpose of the matrix. Why the Saturn federation is hiding and is generally very questionable. So this all seems like it was imposed for not entirely benign reasons.

Another thing to ponder is if the primary purpose of this 3D matrix, is to specifically provide the "soul" enhanced soul growth through this unique environment, that apparently cannot be provided anywhere else in the Trillions of planets just in this galaxy, then why have the terms of the orginal purpose of this matrix have been altered. Now to provide a different more malicious and regressive agenda of total enslavement. The Federation is perceived to have a pact with the same regressives they have intended to lock up ironically with the Lyran ancestors that went through genocide. If they are to contain them yet there are still Millions of other factions in this galaxy, so not all are contained here. Nonetheless, where does this leave the soul, if these parasites end up having a world system where everyone is "happy" with no free will and are controlled on the genetic level. This is literally ownership. Now how far will this go, when even more absurd the laws of the Federation don't even apply here. There is something very strange because it's like our rights as a starbeings and the terran soul's become null when we incarnate or take a "human" body. Therefore we become part of the experiment, the 3D body is the experiment and they are hellbent that we do not recall who we truly are.

If this matrix is designed for soul growth then there should be parameters that specifically adhere to this, meaning the system should not be altered. Why implement such technologies when the Federation does not want "humanity" to become spacefaring, from what I am perceiving. Thus, there is no need for artificial intelligence, no need to make life harder where everything gets replaced via automation, we don't have to look far.

mitkobs · 2023-07-23 13:19:45

I am myself still wondering to what extent this limitation and debasement done by the cabal to the human soul still serves a purpose to grow or they simply are aiming at destroying the human souls and nothing less than this and in the same time pretending to work with the Federation in order their plans not to get stopped. With what Satanism is helping grow, with what such level of control and tyranny is making room for spiritual growth. That is yet to be seen and discovered if goes in such direction and then if many souls are lost and obliterated will be on the conscience of everyone who had the power to stop it but let this satanism thing to grow and prosper.

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Gabriel · 2023-07-23 15:31:38

mitkobs wrote:

I am myself still wondering to what extent this limitation and debasement done by the cabal to the human soul still serves a purpose to grow or they simply are aiming at destroying the human souls and nothing less than this and in the same time pretending to work with the Federation in order their plans not to get stopped. With what Satanism is helping grow, with what such level of control and tyranny is making room for spiritual growth. That is yet to be seen and discovered if goes in such direction and then if many souls are lost and obliterated will be on the conscience of everyone who had the power to stop it but let this satanism thing to grow and prosper.

Hi Mitkobs, EXACTLY to what extent does "their" agenda serve. These regressives are the negative variable, hindrance to the original objective and purpose that this matrix was to provide in relation to soul growth. To establish an environment of a variety of obstacles, yet enabling the soul to overcome them. The soul cannot grow and evolve if the soul cannot overcome and to have the free will to decide what path will be taken. This cannot be accomplished if free will is negated by a hive mind. If amnesia holds heavy, then genetic control will be on another level. I find it very hard to believe that the leaders of this Federation, at their advancement regardless of their flaws have no awareness of such a potential timeline.

We won't let these petty regressives nor their Draco overlords do this to humanity.

Gabriel · 2023-07-23 16:05:06

Brahman wrote:

Gabriel wrote:
Brahman wrote:
The Taygetans are in the same matrix but in 5D. And they should, having more abilities, understand earlier that they are in a matrix. But it seems the Federation is brainwashing there too. Matrix thinking is to think this is normal. That the matrix is necessary. If it is necessary why is there no matrix in high densities? Because illusions are not a priority there. If it's a game why are they so zealous to keep everyone from getting out by extraction or finding out who they are? Either way they will find out here or there. If you're still bound there by the consequences of that incarnation why can you still come back here? Maybe that is the purpose of the matrix. Why the Saturn federation is hiding and is generally very questionable. So this all seems like it was imposed for not entirely benign reasons.
Another thing to ponder is if the primary purpose of this 3D matrix, is to specifically provide the "soul" enhanced soul growth through this unique environment, that apparently cannot be provided anywhere else in the Trillions of planets just in this galaxy, then why have the terms of the orginal purpose of this matrix have been altered. Now to provide a different more malicious and regressive agenda of total enslavement. The Federation is perceived to have a pact with the same regressives they have intended to lock up ironically with the Lyran ancestors that went through genocide. If they are to contain them yet there are still Millions of other factions in this galaxy, so not all are contained here. Nonetheless, where does this leave the soul, if these parasites end up having a world system where everyone is "happy" with no free will and are controlled on the genetic level. This is literally ownership. Now how far will this go, when even more absurd the laws of the Federation don't even apply here. There is something very strange because it's like our rights as a starbeings and the terran soul's become null when we incarnate or take a "human" body. Therefore we become part of the experiment, the 3D body is the experiment and they are hellbent that we do not recall who we truly are.
If this matrix is designed for soul growth then there should be parameters that specifically adhere to this, meaning the system should not be altered. Why implement such technologies when the Federation does not want "humanity" to become spacefaring, from what I am perceiving. Thus, there is no need for artificial intelligence, no need to make life harder where everything gets replaced via automation, we don't have to look far.
I wonder what the inhabitants of all those trillions of planets think? Have they heard of the 3D "spiritual development" matrix? Maybe they don't know. Maybe they don't think they need such experiments to find out who they are. Maybe they don't know the Federation either. And how is it possible that this federation sets the moral principles in the galaxy? Or is the cabal making up games on behalf of the federation? But whatever, it's been eons, who's stopped the matrix so far? Nobody.
The starseeds are told they have to do something but not fight the cabal and the regressives. Just keep the game going. So eons more go by and supposedly we become very spiritual and then what? Those who don't know they are spiritual beings have to prove they are spiritual again in another game. Are the federation spiritual anyway? May not have suffered much?

I....I understand. This Galaxy is gigantic. Yet, a tiny, tiny speck in a void of an innumerable amout of them. I don't think we need experiments just to figure out who we are. We simply are. It is the super artificial intelligence posing as "source" that asks the question. Yet, this is a question without an answer. Nonetheless, sentience gives meaning to it's existence. This is what makes the illusion solid becoming reality. It is a journey without end. Life propagates in the appreciation of it's divinity. We don't need to prove anything here or anywhere. This is what the experiment wants and entails, the super AI to study to learn from all of us, this is what I am sensing. It's plausible the orginal intent of this matrix was for a higher purpose but thing's have become awashed in many ways. It's not the same intent but now the actual agenda just hides behind it.

The concept of spiritual development has been fabricated in this matrix and it may not even mean the same to other species.

The main segment not the members of this Federation will be held accountable. After all this is their matrix or is it, thus have the regressives assumed it. Its not that hard to infiltrate an galactic scale organization that has been proned to thousands of year's of bureaucracy.

The real fight wont be fought on this front. Just get ready for it. There is a way.

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mitkobs · 2023-07-24 17:27:43

@Gabriel exactly right, it is about free will and Cabal is trying to negate even the possibility of having free will with such genetic modifications. When you are not you anymore who is choosing and having own free will, is not you anymore, something else, a robot, an automaton.

CHARCOtranquilo · 2023-07-26 22:56:55

Crystal Dragon wrote:

CHARCOtranquilo wrote:
This is the best and most important sentence of ALL disclosure "We don't need to be extracted to be better versions of ourselves". It's clear that we can't run away from ourselves: the shit you haven't processed, will still be shit out there in 5D or any "D". Because following the path of cowards has its price; those who pretend to solve their failed lives using comfortable shortcuts to avoid the responsibility of assuming that there is a job to be done and that no "alien" or "terrestrial" can or will do it for you or anyone else.
The prison you have locked YOURSELF in, is not here on earth or "out there. NO. The prison in which you have voluntarily locked yourself up is IN YOUR MIND. That imaginary prison that you have so zealously concocted and that you feed and give reality every day; every time you put opium in the desire to be extracted by some supposed ET's, or every time you put the opium of hope in a new "love" that will give you that recognition and valuation that you think you need to feel special, unique.
This feeling of bastard specialism that is born from the darkest and darkest bowels of the most insidious and perverse selfishness, because it is disguised as good feelings and good intentions, All these psychological buffers are instruments of procrastination that tighten the chains of your mental dungeon and disable you and drain your will to assume in a mature and intelligent way, that in reality nobody can break the chains of your mind except you.
Few are those who have the true courage and bravery to go into that desert of absolute loneliness where you will find the only faithful traveling companion that can keep you company: YOU. And until you assume that vast desert of yourself in the most absolute company of your solitude, the chains of the mind that you now believe limit you, will not be able to transform their creaking into celestial music if you do not understand that you yourself forged them and the darkest of the prisons cannot be transformed into a shining beacon that illuminates the exit door if you do not realize that its lintel is supported on your own shoulders.
Until when are you willing to postpone your freedom at the cost of easy shortcuts, infantile romantic sentimentalisms and narcissistic hedonisms?....
You make some points I agree with, and some I don't. I agree with your point about "bastard specialism". It's good for people to believe in their own value, that they are each a unique, valued part of the universal whole. What is not good is the narcissism and elitism that permeates "starseed culture". People want to feel like they are "chosen" ones while others are not. The "blessed and the damned" theme of Abrahamic religions repackaged for those who consider themselves smarter than that. They even go as far as to speculate that people they see as not on their level of perceived "spirituality" don't have souls.
What I do not agree with is your devaluation of emotionality and romantic love. Yes, some people look for that sort of love for "recognition" and "valuation", and that isn't very healthy. Others have a more innocent approach and seek the giving and receiving of such love at face value, for the unique experience and the depth of interconnectedness with one other person on a level of two individuals which radiates outward to creation. I do not see that as "infantile".
What I personally see as "infantile" is the devaluation of such sentiments in a race for "spiritual supremacy". Spirituality devoid of emotion is not spirituality. There is no race to anywhere, only an endless journey. Negative, antisocial, narcissistic beings throw away sentimentality and emotionality in their pursuits of material supremacy, domination, and self-gratification. It disturbs me to see how some philosophies seem to call for the same mechanistic ruthlessness in the pursuit of spiritual power.

I think that in my previous post I have used metaphor and simile as a semantic resource to express myself and this may have given rise to the ambiguity of what I intended to convey.

Let's talk about that "romantic love", that "feeling that comes loaded with an exultant emotionality that magnifies and idealises in a vicious circle of virtues the person/object loved and disabling the capacity of discernment to the detriment of any objectivity in favour of common sense or critical obviousness losing sight of the possibility of contemplating the person with all their virtues, but also with all their true qualities less virtuous. If someone thinks immaturely that when we fall in love we are only going to live exclusively with those virtuous aspects, (which in their great majority have only been as I have said an idealised construction) invariably and permanently, that is a childish idea, that pretends to deny the true reality with which we will have to live in the same moment when the magic wand of the fairy of disappointment places the two lovers in a situation challenging enough to descend to the gates of hell.

Then there is that type of "spiritualised romantic love" that pretends to project an attitude and an image of love towards others, giving love indiscriminately showing, kind, considerate, attentive, unconditionally, thinking that in this way their life will be rewarded with more love and perhaps more joy and as a result people will respond more positively and even experience being "closer to "God" or the "Source" radiating an aura of loving light almost angelic.

The problem with this approach is that you cannot try to be loving above your current personal experience that is not very loving. You cannot place one feeling above another and expect to overcome that feeling by placing yourself in a dishonest situation with yourself in relation to the unloving situation you are experiencing. You cannot start where you want to be, because you simply are NOT where you want to be. Being honest requires observing oneself with some detachment in order to approach it objectively.

The acceptance that one is not as loving as one thought in oneself requires an act of humility. In fact the problem of provoking being "spiritually loving" is that you are denying yourself by considering that your unloving state is detestable and unspiritual. Pretending to love by rejecting yourself is not love it is only an imposture imagined of what one interprets as "spiritual love". And that is not the reality of true love. They are only distorted ways of understanding and personalising and adapting the idea "love" to our own and selfish needs to compensate for that permanent and insidious feeling of separation with the very Source of LOVE with capital letters.

Now comes the hard part of what LOVE is

The imperishable LOVE (with capital letters) is NOT an emotion, nor is it an idea about what it is to be spiritually loving, nor is it a sweetened romantic fantasy of exalted emotions of a "couple in love". LOVE, by integrating EVERYTHING, is not always kind, not always happy, and manifests itself in multiple forms of expression, even on occasions extremely difficult and challenging.

You cannot experience imperishable LOVE if when what you understand by love is based on preferences, because these require you to be fundamentally dishonest with yourself. You only want to see certain things and not others. You only want to be in pleasant situations and not unpleasant ones. You only want to be with people who share your point of view and not with people who do not. You want life to be a certain way, but life is NOT like that.

LOVE does not create it because it has no beginning or end. You cannot manipulate it because it always remains faithful to itself. In fact you can do nothing with LOVE because it is HE who holds you and not you HIM. You cannot increase it or decrease it because it encompasses everything from the deepest abysses, to the most inscrutable infinite space. You cannot fight for HIM, because he is not an object, or a subject, or an emotion that you can achieve and appropriate LOVE. Nor can you cultivate it, because it is not a process that develops steadily until "reaching LOVE"; it is LOVE who "reaches you" for this reason you can only prepare yourself to accept it and when you accept it you realise that it had always been present expressing itself silently in you.

The imperishable LOVE is not something that you generate just because you appreciate a situation or a person because it is not a behaviour, it is a silent, present and direct experience. It is something that is not manufactured and NOT created by the intellect; it is beyond any definition.

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Betty L · 2023-07-27 02:40:37

This video explained why some things are the way they are. Could be that when someone disappears out of our lives they might have been extracted. They used their get out of jail free card. I hope that they are able to forgive the ones who were deceitful to them while they were here on earth. The anger will not be good for you especially now that you are in a higher density. This really works.

https://revpeggyray.wordpress.com/2011/ … ss-ritual/

mitkobs · 2023-07-27 06:08:21

I think this is unfailing love is peace. Peace is the highest frequency. In peace you can be compatible with everything that is, cannot go wrong with being in peace. Also when we are Source we are the highest frequency. If it is love is love 100%, if it is creativity is 100%, if it is wisdom is 100%, if it is truth is truth 100%, order 100%, beauty 100%, efficiency 100%, and peace 100%. Even if some of those are contradictory or counter productive at first glance Source is all that is, everything and is perfect-complete.

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