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CHARCOtranquilo

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ENLIGHTENMENT: UNATTAINABLE OR PROGRESSIVE OR INSTANTANEOUS?

Enlightenment: An "Unattainable State" or a Progressive and Infinite Spiritual Process or an Instantaneous, Total and Absolute Realization.

The short answer to this disjunctive would be that the three propositions are false because they all come from an interpretation that the "ego" makes about enlightenment. And even this answer would also be false because it is being made from another interpretation of the "ego" about the falsity of these three propositions about enlightenment.

And now in order to harmonize this discordant and puzzling answer we have to understand from what level of understanding ("expansion") (an inadequate word because it leads to confusion, since it denotes and connotes the idea that there are densities, levels, and processes in time) of consciousness is being made.

Enlightenment an Unattainable and Unrealizable State

To say that enlightenment is an unattainable and unrealizable "state" arises from the "ego's" implicit consideration that there is an attainable and realizable state of enlightenment. But from the level of the "SOURCE" enlightenment is neither unattainable nor unrealizable, nor is it realizable and attainable because the "SOURCE" has never been separated from Itself. has never separated from Itself. Which means that if there is no separation there is also nothing to achieve and unify. The idea of Unification can only arise from a concept of fragmentation, limitation, and separation and only the "ego" can achieve the illusory and unattainable feat of "believing it is enlightened" as well as the illusory impossibility that enlightenment is an unattainable and unrealizable state. Both possibilities are inherently interdependent in their own falsity, per se.

Enlightenment Seen as a Progressive and Infinite Process

The other false concept arises from movements associated with personal and "spiritual" growth as a continuous journey that unfolds as the individual "expands their consciousness" through experiences of both a psychological type such as growth and refinement of the personality and so-called "spiritual" type experiences that are associated with experiences where they may glimpse or experience expansive states of consciousness where there is a revelation and understanding of other "spiritual realities" ("densities") that sometimes generates a transformative effect in form, personal ways, beliefs, attitudes of approaching the daily life of the different vicissitudes of life. This understood within the framework of what we would call this 3D density.  But this spiritual evolutionism does not end with death. That is to say, after disincarnation it would continue its progression in the "so-called world of the spirit where it would continue to develop and polish the personality in the different stages established as densities both higher and lower in an endless endless cycle of "purification and perfecting learning considering such process of spiritual perfection as a purification within a so-called progressive-evolutionary enlightenment and dynamized in a permanent change and transformation.

The falsity of this proposition of "infinite spiritual evolutionism" or infinite progressive enlightenment is that: going back to the level of the "SOURCE" is that THE SOURCE is outside of any endless progression, infinite progressive enlightenment, beginning or beginning of... and end or attainment of... The "SOURCE" IS OUT OF ALL TIME AND ALL SPACE. This means that the "SOURCE" does not evolve, nor does it progress because the simple motive of the SOURCE always IS; it has not evolved to become the SOURCE, nor is it in a constant "infinite spiritual evolution". If it were, it would imply that the SOURCE is established in a permanent state of incompleteness.   
Therefore, progressive and infinite enlightenment is one more illusory concept of the "ego" within an illusory time and space.
All such considerations remain the product and by-product of the so-called "spiritualized ego" that persists and insists on the illusory need to endure even beyond "death" but this time with the strategy of subtleizing itself to infinite levels of perfection in the so-called spiritual realms of the intangible or density is spiritual. Now the "ego" has found the evolutionary-infinity (not the "eternity" concept representing that which is outside of time) as an instrument for self-perpetuation.

Enlightenment an Instantaneous, Total and Absolute realization

As I have already said, the SOURCE, is not enlightened since the SOURCE has never separated from itself. It would be ontologically incongruous to consider that the SOURCE, separated itself in order to be able to recognize itself in duality, separation, and limitation, as the SOURCE.  The SOURCE, does not need to "know" itself in order to see itself projected specularly in a "world out there" of duality, limitation and imperfection, and by contrast recognize itself as non-dual, unlimited and complete or perfect. This idea in itself is insane because that would mean the impossibility of the SOURCE to be able to maintain the certainty of its completeness and perfection, it would have to rest on the idea of a world of limitation and imperfection and lack. How could it give back to it a mirror image of perfection and completeness that which is imperfect and complete per se and does NOT exist in the SOURCE because it was never created?  This ontological aberration and its conclusion can only be concocted by the ego's demented mind that bases its existence on the persistence that the imperfect can improve what already IS perfect and the incomplete can complete what already IS complete.

Thus, moreover, since the SOURCE is beyond time and space, the idea of instantaneous realization is implicitly linked with the idea of time. But if the SOURCE is beyond all time, at what instant of its ETERNITY did it become illuminated? The answer is immediately obvious: AT NO INSTANT because in ETERNITY time does not exist and therefore no illumination was necessary or occurred or occurs. Therefore, likewise, we can conclude that if there is no such illumination in the SOURCE neither can it be, neither total, nor absolute since this idea starts from the impossible fact that the SOURCE at some point of BEING Total and Absolute. And this implies beyond any proposition of enlightenment that no separation has ever existed, exists, nor will ever exist.

However, enlightenment is a reality in this 3D world or in any "D" as long as you harbor in your mind the idea that separation occurred.  And that being so, when enlightenment emerges from the oceanic waters of ETERNITY, you paradoxically realize that enlightenment never did, does, and never will occur.

Oh, and enlightenment is total, absolute and instantaneous.

Last edited by CHARCOtranquilo (2023-09-11 00:24:36)

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mitkobs

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Re: ENLIGHTENMENT: UNATTAINABLE OR PROGRESSIVE OR INSTANTANEOUS?

Enlightenment can be interpreted as waking up for more expanded spiritual side of ourselves. That is not equal with being Source and not going to be equal while being a body-I-personality and especially being that in hostile uncaring environment. We have two problems, being a body-personality that is not remembering its true self and the so called outside world that have almost zero interest in the wellbeing of that body-personality unless this body-personality is able to pay for it.

Living in such hostile environment the I have only one viable option toward enlightenment, to work for it while being in this state of body-personality and liberate/spiritualize itself as much as possible. With no one around interested in your enlightenment and wellbeing you are the only one who have to make it for yourself in such conditions. Or live in oblivion like the rest of the uncaring backdrop people. And why you want to be spiritualized and enlightened, for only one reason, to liberate from the material bondages, from everything that is holding you down, from illusions, from dependencies, from addictions. Everyone want only one thing, to be free and that is possible when you become lighter and lighter, you have nothing heavy/bothersome to hold you down. It is kind of strange but caring about everything is leading to such freedom like you do not need to care in such sense that you do not need to control the world and that is very liberating and bringing such peace of mind.

mitkobs

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Re: ENLIGHTENMENT: UNATTAINABLE OR PROGRESSIVE OR INSTANTANEOUS?

For me nothingness is not possible. If All That Is is consciousness how a conscious presence can be not? It is always a conscious presence, a being. To be enlightened as Source is to be such full pure perfect conscious presence, 100%. And that we are but when we put aside all attachments for living in some kind of shape/form.

mitkobs

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Re: ENLIGHTENMENT: UNATTAINABLE OR PROGRESSIVE OR INSTANTANEOUS?

Duality is imaginary, Source is absolute and that means the enlightenment of Source is absolute.

ro2778

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Re: ENLIGHTENMENT: UNATTAINABLE OR PROGRESSIVE OR INSTANTANEOUS?

“ In the end, there is nothing there you can ever do wrong. There are all choices, all is experiences, all is learning and all is expansion. There is nothing you can do that is ultimately wrong. But there are things that are more convenient for you than others. So that means that you must let go and stop bashing yourself because of past bad choices and what you consider to be wrong doings. That is the old concept of oriental karma.

But holding karma is a choice. To liberate yourself, to shed karma is to become enlightened. Enlightenment is not coming from “light” as opposed to “darkness”. It comes from lightness as a feather. You are not carrying karma any longer, you free yourself from that load. Therefore enlightened.”

https://swaruu.org/es/transcripts/why-d … l-contact#!

CHARCOtranquilo

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Re: ENLIGHTENMENT: UNATTAINABLE OR PROGRESSIVE OR INSTANTANEOUS?

Everyone want only one thing, to be free  (...) .

No, not everyone wants to be free. In fact the vast majority who follow this disclosure (99.99999999999999% ) only want freedom as a form of escape to avoid the biggest and most important of the commitments made: TO BE FREE FROM THE NEED TO BE FREE.

And when does one free oneself from the need to be free? When one understands that the condemnation, the prisoner, the jailer and the prison is YOU. And that this "you" is an illusion built in your mind.

What do I mean by this? That you constantly commit an error of perception that consists in having inverted the perception; looking from outside to inside as if what you see "out there" were the dream of another who is dreaming you, and who can wake up from a dream if you believe that you are not the dreamer? And this basic error that is your main postulate in your chaotic life is what keeps you in your prison.

What is this basic error of perception?  That the Federation, the cabal, and all the enemies that you have created in your mind, (which are not, but another of your many points of attention) are NOT your jailers, THEY ARE YOUR PRISONERS and therefore is not the jailer imprisoned by the prisoner? So, free your prisoners from your mind and you will free yourself from your jailer, that is, from yourself and from the solid but illusory walls of your prison that you have so zealously built together with the amalgam and insubstantial cement of your thoughts

And... What was your own condemnation? In that every eye, in every, body, in every shadow that you would cast your vision you would be dissociated, alienated from yourself. And... How did you acquire it and perpetuate it?   By seeing the other as alien to you, alienated from you, in this division you made of your mind, you catalogued him/her as your enemy, thinking that in this way you would protect yourself from his/her attack, which is none other than your own. But every attack needs a defense and the defense you built in your mind was an infinite wall that is now the same wall that keeps you imprisoned. Now you think you are safe and protected from your enemy, the one you have considered as the evil that tries to destroy you and you are the innocent and good victim that you try to destroy him to protect yourself without realizing that both are you. Thus, "good" and "evil" is only an appellation, a convenient euphemism to exculpate yourself and not to assume or take responsibility for your own alienation.

Free it from your hatred and you will free yourself from yourself!

When you understand that this  wall is you who raised it to infinity believing yourself protected when in reality it was an attack against yourself by fragmenting your mind into infinite walls that are nothing more than your other points of attention, you will free yourself from this overload that you imposed on yourself.

Last edited by CHARCOtranquilo (2023-09-12 16:50:19)

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I opened the door
and your Presence entered
like a sword,
without asking.

mitkobs

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Re: ENLIGHTENMENT: UNATTAINABLE OR PROGRESSIVE OR INSTANTANEOUS?

I agree CHARCOtranquilo. Freedom is about being our true self, not about escaping, hiding from in safety, fighting and eliminating our fragmentations. The second is only perpetuating dual games for fragmented opposing characters. Freedom is to realize that we have to stop this and integrate back where we are a whole harmonious unity.