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#1 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-14 12:23:23

StarDeity wrote:

Matter is an illusion, the "physical" holographic universe.

Nothing pushes anything, nothing is even touching.
It's Source Consciouness creating the illusion that something moves, gets pushed, or gets attracted. Perception accords made by the fractals of Source observing. That is all.

You may call it an illusion but from perspective of our 3d physical experience matter exists, touches things, damages them and destroys them which you can easily get a proof of - look into Turkey, when during few seconds 6000 houses collapsed and killed maybe 60k people. Will you tell Erdoğan that matter is an illusion? Gravity does not exist? And decline helping them save people who are trapped in ruins "touching" them (pushing, squeezing..) arguing "nothing touches them, no ruins are killing your people?"
I guess the answer is no and you will not doubt that as you would look kind of incompatible with reality which is relevant for our current experience.

#2 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-14 11:43:29

Gosia wrote:

I just read first two sentences and I must say you got it the reverse. What Taygetans and Swaruunians explain about gravity IS how it works. There is nothing we can teach them here lol. If you don´t agree, this won´t be the place for you smile

Could you please ask on how the etheric flow of consciousness moves the physical objects? (notice I am nor asking how it creates matter but how the already created matter can get accelared at a distance).
That would help as this is the missing point in all this gravity saga. If I missed something, anyone is welcome to explain this. Thank you all!

#3 Re: English Forum » Nucleus of the Earth - Hollow Earth - Extraterrestrial Communication » 2023-02-14 06:36:01

HiddenSquid wrote:

Wait are you saying planets cannot be destroyed? So.... What Tiamat/Maldek didn't blow up then?

I have no do doubts planets can get destroyed many ways but I was particularly interested in the option that this primordial consciousness (which I learnt holds the attention/intention and this way keeps gravity in place) stops giving it his intention and if in such case the planet fell appart. Maybe Taygetans know about such case, who knows.
Maldek absorbed some energy wave from explosion on Mars which desintegrated him is how Swaruu explained its destruction means it was an interference from outside which maybe managed to interrupt the flow of primordial consciousness or simply broke the wave patterns generated by it through the principle of dominant frequency.

#4 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-14 06:09:39

Mari's explanation is very good and helpful.

And if you want to make it perfect please ask how can a nonphysical flow of ather/consciousness "push" something physical (an object)? Mari says ".. smaller objects are pushed towards a star or planet" 

What happens there, what's the mechanism/physics doing that?


Such exchanges we are having now are very helpful for everybody, that you for moderating them! <3

#5 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-13 23:54:57

My question from the beginning was if Mari had explained how the acceleration is achieved. Remember? Here https://forum.swaruu.org/viewtopic.php?pid=30957#p30957
And we found out she had not explained this part yet.
If you take a magnet there you also have flow of aether but this flow does not make two magnets attract. The mechanism is different. Gradient in aether density/charge is behind it again. Main stream calls it "bent space" and speak of gravitational well into which matter is falling.
They only describe with different mechanism the same phenomenon.
I am still interested how Mari explains that translation between aether flow and induced acceleration. I also hope I managed to make you realize that the flow itself cannot push as it is not a spacial object (spherical standing wave) that can push

#6 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-13 22:34:10

First you need to realize that gravitation is the effect that makes two objects come together, attraction. You gravitate towards something = you are attracted to it.

So, what Mari calls gravity is not what gravity is in usual understanding.

And what she calls flow of consciousnes or flow of creative intention or direction of flow of potential energy in a very high vibrating primordial state is what constitutes the mass of an object (and she adds that the object itself too).

And this field is responsible for gravitation aka attraction of two objects. Notice that the exact mechanism is not understood by mainstream science but it is not needed. Their explanation makes no sense but since everything is geometry their formulas work.

But Mari also does not explain the mechanism of the attraction, she only says that this field pushes objects together via consciousness flow.

Do you see that? But aether does not push. Objects push. But first the object must be given motion/acceleration which is the main effect of gravity/gravitation.

And this is induced during interaction of each smallest spherical toroidal standing wave aka particle with the field generated by consciousness attention in Mari's version and mass in mainstream version. But the two refer to the same quantum gravity field.

Gradient in aether/charge density of this field in combination with its resonance induces the motion/attraction. And from there you obtain the push because each one particle moved by the field pushes on the neighbouring particle too, down to the very center of gravitational zero point - point of no gravity. Towards this center lines of force aim along which this acceleration is induced.

The denser the field the faster the acceleration. And the more massive object. The bigger push. The more pressure. The more heat. The more convention. Buoyancy. Weight. These are all effects of gravity, not the gravity itself.

#7 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-13 18:54:29

Jupiter wrote:
Door wrote:

Yes I have read it. And I see what Mari considers to be gravity. She speaks of a push by flow of consciousness. But here we must realize that non physical flow of gravity-consciousness cannot push on physical objects. Nor pull them as mainstream science says. Means what we still need to figure out is how this gravity flow grabs for physical matter which it can move towards so called gravitational center of the consciousness field.

So from what I understand you don't agree neither with Taygetan science nor with mainstream science. What is your own understanding about how gravity works?

Motion can be induced by resonance or aether density gradient.. I guess gravitation could be caused by combination of both. That is why technology can create antigravity to nullify gravity and make matter massless.

#8 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-13 17:20:01

Yes I have read it. And I see what Mari considers to be gravity. She speaks of a push by flow of consciousness. But here we must realize that non physical flow of gravity-consciousness cannot push on physical objects. Nor pull them as mainstream science says. Means what we still need to figure out is how this gravity flow grabs for physical matter which it can move towards so called gravitational center of the consciousness field.

#9 Re: English Forum » Nucleus of the Earth - Hollow Earth - Extraterrestrial Communication » 2023-02-13 16:47:41

Jupiter wrote:
Door wrote:
Jupiter wrote:

We are getting off topic so I created a new thread where we can continue this discussion --> here.

Do you mind reposting the above reply there and deleting it from this thread?

Gravity and hollow Earth are related. Because gravity squeezes everything towards the centre and so, logically, it cannot be hollow. But very dense and also hot because the pressure causes beta decay and energy stored in the matter gets released and warms up the core and causes magma to rise

According to the terrestrial science religion maybe, but the crew is speaking according to Taygetan science. As I said my Earth physics knowledge is rusty, last time I studied physics was in high school over 20 years ago. And I haven't studied in detail the technical and science stuff of the material so I don't understand it fully yet. How much of the material have you studied and have you studied the technical and science stuff of the material and do you understand it?


And also are you saying that you don't believe there are hollow caves the size of countries inside Earth?

Hollow Earth is usually refered to an empty space in the center of a spherical planet. Hollow earth is not what you would say about cavities in the crust.
Typical distraction is to say Earth is hollow and central sun in the center giving life to people living there

#10 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-13 16:44:14

_.haz.za._369 wrote:
Door wrote:

Two 10k kg heavy objects attract gravitationally with the same force as an ant is attracted to Earth.
Does Mari offer an explanation why this happens?

Gravity is not a force between objects. Its a flow or a flux in the ether. Gravity creates mass. Mass doesnt create gravity (thats newtonian fake earth science)

I think it is still misunderstood. Consciousness flow is gravity which creates matter and mass.
Please read this post by Jupiter he nicely quoted Mari on what gravity is according to Taygetan science
Compare to mainstream here

#11 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-13 16:41:50

Jupiter wrote:
Door wrote:
Jupiter wrote:

If you reread the quote I posted she mentions that "So, contrary to Earth science understanding, an object's mass does not create a gravity field or flow." so I don't think she would agree that two objects attract gravitationally or that the Earth attracts the ant.

But I think she offers the explanation in the same transcript I posted. I don't know if I have understood it correctly but I think it happens because of the flow of gravity pushing the objects towards each other(?).

"Mari Swaruu: An object like a star or a planet doesn't attract smaller objects to itself. Rather, those other smaller objects are pushed towards the star or planet like a leaf is pushed against a rock by the flow of water in a creek or river. We can also call gravity a direction of flow of potential energy in a very high vibrating primordial state. The exact way gravity flows in a field of potential energy will form different objects and will give them their particular attributes.
"

That is an interesting quote, thank you for that.
Now imagine two objects in space of no gravity flow that is attributed to a big celestial object like Earth.
You have only two chunks of iron at a distance of 1m and the pushing force, according to the formula, would correspond to the force an ant is attracted/attracted to Earth.

I am asking in which direction would the aether flow?
In case of Earth and an object it is simple - towards the center of Earth, correct? But now when you have same sized chunks of iron next to each other would there be two same dense flows of gravity consciousness in the opposite direction? Would not that mean that such flows would cancel out and no push would be present? Just wondering..

I haven't studied this in detail and I am not sure but I think the answer is the ether flows in the direction of the objects.

But I don't understand what the point you are trying to make is. If I am not mistaken even according to earth science two same sized chunks of iron in space just stay in place, they don't attract each other.

They do gravitate towards each other by force expressed with this formula F= (G * m1*m2)/ r2

Maybe haza369 has some idea how the consciousness flows so that two object are pushed together?

#12 Re: English Forum » Nucleus of the Earth - Hollow Earth - Extraterrestrial Communication » 2023-02-13 12:33:27

Jupiter wrote:

We are getting off topic so I created a new thread where we can continue this discussion --> here.

Do you mind reposting the above reply there and deleting it from this thread?

Gravity and hollow Earth are related. Because gravity squeezes everything towards the centre and so, logically, it cannot be hollow. But very dense and also hot because the pressure causes beta decay and energy stored in the matter gets released and warms up the core and causes magma to rise

#13 Re: English Forum » "ET Origin Objects" » 2023-02-13 09:05:26

StarDeity wrote:

"The head of NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command), van Herck, admitted that the objects shot down over the United States are of extraterrestrial origin.

Intelligence services should draw conclusions on this matter, the head of NORAD said. He said that the military could not yet determine what kept the objects in the air. For this reason, they are not called balloons."

Fake ET invasion agenda..?

https://t.me/intelslava/44428

This intelslava Z channel is it a trustful source?

#14 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-13 09:02:13

Jupiter wrote:

If you reread the quote I posted she mentions that "So, contrary to Earth science understanding, an object's mass does not create a gravity field or flow." so I don't think she would agree that two objects attract gravitationally or that the Earth attracts the ant.

But I think she offers the explanation in the same transcript I posted. I don't know if I have understood it correctly but I think it happens because of the flow of gravity pushing the objects towards each other(?).

"Mari Swaruu: An object like a star or a planet doesn't attract smaller objects to itself. Rather, those other smaller objects are pushed towards the star or planet like a leaf is pushed against a rock by the flow of water in a creek or river. We can also call gravity a direction of flow of potential energy in a very high vibrating primordial state. The exact way gravity flows in a field of potential energy will form different objects and will give them their particular attributes.
"

That is an interesting quote, thank you for that.
Now imagine two objects in space of no gravity flow that is attributed to a big celestial object like Earth.
You have only two chunks of iron at a distance of 1m and the pushing force, according to the formula, would correspond to the force an ant is attracted/attracted to Earth.

I am asking in which direction would the aether flow?
In case of Earth and an object it is simple - towards the center of Earth, correct? But now when you have same sized chunks of iron next to each other would there be two same dense flows of gravity consciousness in the opposite direction? Would not that mean that such flows would cancel out and no push would be present? Just wondering..

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#16 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-13 01:04:43

It was not your initial question Jupiter, it was my initial question. Terrestrial science explains this best with bent space which I do not buy by a tiny bit. That's why I am asking if Mari has an explanation.

#17 Re: English Forum » Why do two mass objects attract? » 2023-02-13 00:55:16

Two 10k kg heavy objects attract gravitationally with the same force as an ant is attracted to Earth.
Does Mari offer an explanation why this happens?

#18 Re: English Forum » Nucleus of the Earth - Hollow Earth - Extraterrestrial Communication » 2023-02-13 00:44:37

Two 10k kg heavy objects attract gravitationally with the same force as an ant is attracted to Earth.
Does Mari offer an explanation why this happens?

#20 Re: English Forum » Nucleus of the Earth - Hollow Earth - Extraterrestrial Communication » 2023-02-13 00:20:12

I understand this concept needs god to focus his attention to a spot where matter is created and is set to become a planet. Without such intent planet could not exist. I also assume if he rerouted his attention elsewhere the planet falls appart as it needs him to hold his attention up. Interesting concept. Thank you.

#21 Re: English Forum » Nucleus of the Earth - Hollow Earth - Extraterrestrial Communication » 2023-02-13 00:06:48

Jupiter wrote:

This one mass behaves very much like water in a very high vibrational state. Water from which everything that has ever existed, exists, and will ever exist, spawns from, and creating life itself.

This then leads to the concept of space. As an interstellar and intergalactic space is not a void, it´s not empty, and it is water in a very high density vibrational shape or form. Here I can even quote a biblical phrase, "from the waters above all" - the waters above.

Sounds like definition of aether

#22 Re: English Forum » Nucleus of the Earth - Hollow Earth - Extraterrestrial Communication » 2023-02-12 20:09:50

Gosia wrote:

No, because the existence of the planets is not sustainted by the consciousness of those living beings you would be shooting but of beings of a totally another calibre and level. Ones you can never shoot down. As Star Deity said, planet has its own consciousness. smile

Door wrote:
StarDeity wrote:

The attention is given by all the beings that inhabit a planet...

Are you suggesting that if all living creatures would be exterminated at once, planets would lose their gravity?

Thank you for your answer but before the planet is created, it has already consciousness which creates it? Is it how it works? Then the question would be who assigned consciousness to a planet before it was created? What kind of beings of another calibre are you talking about, could you tell?

#23 Re: English Forum » Nucleus of the Earth - Hollow Earth - Extraterrestrial Communication » 2023-02-12 20:06:23

StarDeity wrote:

I think you know the answer, but you just want someone else to tell you what you already know...

Door wrote:
_.haz.za._369 wrote:

I think you misunderstood this.
Whose attention? You. Conciousness. The ether.
Everything is an idea. Everything is conciousness. The "attention" creates the frequency harmonics (standing waves), which creates the particles - atoms - molecules and so on (mechanics of manifestion). There is only one universal mass of pure consciousness --> The Ether - The "source". When you are "incarnated" you have an ego/I. You're are someone specific (which is an illusion), then you are a standing wave. You die - the ego dissolves (the wave collapses), you integrate back into the unified field (ether/source). Same with everything else. Everything is conciousness. From a rock to a planet and to an entire galaxy. Some are more aware of itself than others.

Thank you for trying but I still do not get this - if no advanced life is on the planet yet then whose attention does the planet receive to have gravity and form a celestial sphere?

I hope we can figure this out together.

#24 Re: English Forum » Nucleus of the Earth - Hollow Earth - Extraterrestrial Communication » 2023-02-12 19:47:17

_.haz.za._369 wrote:
Door wrote:

Was a nice video, thank you Mari. I also did not expect the core to stop spinning - why would it, based on what? So good to hear Mari debunked this crazy theory.

But what I am still trying to wrap my head around is what the video said about the hypothetical situation we would be hollow. Swaruu said we would have less mass, this I get, but she said that it would be so because we would receive less consciousness attention. And she said this attention creates gravity and gravity creates matter and mass.

If I can ask someone who understands how she meant it
1. Whose attention is our planet receiving to create gravity-mass?
2. Can this attention be turned away from us?
3. If so, would our mass disappear?

Thank you for your answers

I think you misunderstood this.
Whose attention? You. Conciousness. The ether.
Everything is an idea. Everything is conciousness. The "attention" creates the frequency harmonics (standing waves), which creates the particles - atoms - molecules and so on (mechanics of manifestion). There is only one universal mass of pure consciousness --> The Ether - The "source". When you are "incarnated" you have an ego/I. You're are someone specific (which is an illusion), then you are a standing wave. You die - the ego dissolves (the wave collapses), you integrate back into the unified field (ether/source). Same with everything else. Everything is conciousness. From a rock to a planet and to an entire galaxy. Some are more aware of itself than others.

Thank you for trying but I still do not get this - if no advanced life is on the planet yet then whose attention does the planet receive to have gravity and form a celestial sphere?

#25 Re: English Forum » Nucleus of the Earth - Hollow Earth - Extraterrestrial Communication » 2023-02-11 17:51:28

StarDeity wrote:

The attention is given by all the beings that inhabit a planet...

Door wrote:

Was a nice video, thank you Mari. I also did not expect the core to stop spinning - why would it, based on what? So good to hear Mari debunked this crazy theory.

But what I am still trying to wrap my head around is what the video said about the hypothetical situation we would be hollow. Swaruu said we would have less mass, this I get, but she said that it would be so because we would receive less consciousness attention. And she said this attention creates gravity and gravity creates matter and mass.

If I can ask someone who understands how she meant it
1. Whose attention is our planet receiving to create gravity-mass?
2. Can this attention be turned away from us?
3. If so, would our mass disappear?

Thank you for your answers

Are you suggesting that if all living creatures would be exterminated at once, planets would lose their gravity?

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