Perhpas you could say what you mean by "false" sound patterns?

More to the point though, I thought we were discussing what you called "the natural resonances of e.g. string instruments like a piano or harp."

From what I understand, "natural resonances" have to do with the overtones of the strings and how these overtones combine together. Here maximum resonance would be when the tones reinforce one another, which would be basically when at least some of their overtones coincide exactly so that plucking one string of a harp literally excites the other string from silence into sounding, or reinforces it further if the other string was already sounding.

If you tune to Pythagorean 81/64 major third for example, this just doesn't happen. I mean there is nothing to be heard - the other string will just stay dead silent and won't resonate, or if it was already sounding, it would not be reinforced because there are no coinciding overtones.

So, if you are still saying that 81/64 is more naturally resonant than 5/4 (are you really? I'm not sure what you are saying at this point),  then I wonder if by "resonance" you mean something else other than how the overtones of the strings combine? Maybe you have in mind some higher dimensional things perhaps?

That's exactly what I was asking, though I admit the post was perhaps too long/detailed to read. I can paraphrase the whole thing in short if that helps:

A major third between two tones together (C and E for example) with a ratio of 5/4 has more coinciding overtones (3 out of the first 16) than a major third with a ratio of 81/64 (pythagorean) which has no coinciding overtones at all.

So, saying that 81/64 ratio is more resonant than 5/4 makes no sense to me since the two notes with that ratio do not in fact resonate or reinforce each other (having no coinciding overtones).

Usually to "tune an instrument by ear" means to match its overtones in a way that would produce the least disonances. The least disonances happen when the overtones either coincide or are sufficiently far away not to cause "beating" (when two overtones are too close but do not coincide). Hence, if you are turning by ear, you are more likely to tune a major third to 5/4 than 81/64. To tune 81/64 accruately, you would need to count beats / disonance between third/fourth overtones.

Hm, not sure I get your point. Could we perhaps look at this practically:

Let’s use a single string (so nothing different to what Pythagoras might have used - a monochord).

If you pluck the string, it would move/resonate in exact proportions to its length:
- the resonance along the entire length of the string would be called its fundamental frequency (1/1).
- the resonance along half the length would be an octave (2/1) - first overtone.
- third of the length would be a fifth (3/2) - second overtone.
- quarter of the length would be an octave again (4/2) - third overtone.
- fifth of the length would be the major third (5/4) - fourth overtone.
Etc.

You can ascertain the same if you touch/stop the string at those same points. For example, if you stop a string at the fifth of its length, the frequency (and the length) ratio would be 5/4 (or 80/64) rather than the Pythagorean 81/64.

That’s not a big difference if you are only playing a melody (and if you don’t have perfect pitch to notice the difference).

However, you might notice the difference if you play two notes together to produce the major third interval.

For example, say you play a C note at 256Hz and want to play a major third (E) together with C. If you use 5/4 ratio, your E frequency would be 320Hz, whereas if you use 81/64, your E frequency would be 324Hz.

If you compare the two major thirds, I would argue that your 5/4 E would sound more in resonance, or more "naturally resonant" with your C than your 81/64 E would. Why? Because some of the overtones would coincide exactly in the case of C and E of 5/4 ratio. That is, 3 out of the first sixteen overtones would coincide exactly - or resonate in unison. In other words, the two notes would reinforce each other - resonate together, because of coinciding overtones. However, in the case of 81/64 E, there would be no overtones at all that would coincide with your C’s overtones (its first sixteen overtones).

Hence, I’m struggling to see in what way would a third with an 81/64 ratio be more "naturally resonant" with your fundamental tone if none of the 81/64 overtones actually coincide or resonate with fundamental note’s overtones? Could you please point out what I’m not seeing here? Thanks

Nicely put

Would you say that Karistus and Draconians are free from the AI influence because they do not use AI/technology?

Also, I'm assuming this AI is based in the 5D universe? Would the AI influence on GF races be due to pervasiveness of technology in their lives (kind of like life is becoming on Earth), or is the 5D AI more powerful in the sense that it could beam/project thoughts and emotions straight into your mind and you would take them for your own, thus ending up mind-controlled?

Also, if you don’t mind me asking (and it’s perfectly fine not to respond), you mentioned several times that you would side with the Karistus - but, would they not consider you the enemy though (assuming you are also siding with dracos)? Or are you saying that the AI threat has grown to such an extent that the only chance we have is to unite in the fight against the AI even though we might be mortal enemies?

Could I ask why 81/64 for the major third (other than for the "3/2" maths of it)? Wouldn’t 5/4 sound more natural or more “consonant” to the ear?

Also what about intention behind the music? Does it matter whether the sound is consonant or dissonant if one’s intention behind producing it is not benevolent anyway?

With respect, I disagree.

No matter how our predicament is explained, or by who, the fact remains that from the perspective down here, we are getting exploited, raped, killed and genocided. The fact also remains that the Taygetans, Urmah or any other GF race up there could come in militarily and essentially end the entire Earth cabal system and the ensuing genocide in a matter of days.

For whatever reasons though, none of the races up there are choosing to do so. Instead, they are choosing to give us their opinions as to why the genocide is happening (Taygetans - “it’s the cabal, your own tulpas, bad GF, etc”. Others - “it's your frequency, you need more love and light, you are in soul school, etc”).

If you see a girl getting raped in a dark alley though, what do you do? Go up to her, keep a safe distance, give her your opinion that she shouldn’t have been wearing that short skirt, and then let the rape continue while you stand by?

Apologies for a graphic analogy, but from the perspective down here I’d say that every single being up there standing by while the genocide is happening is complicit and bound to pay.

Quite simply, I don’t need the Taygetans or any other race up there to give me their opinions about why the genocide is happening. I need them to come in and stop the genocide. That’s it. If I then have any interest in hearing their opinions about why the genocide was happening, I would ask for it. At this point though, I’m not asking for an opinion. I’m asking them to come in and stop to the genocide.

And that’s without even getting into the whole issue of who is to blame for all this. Sure, you can blame it on us and our tulpas, but you could equally blame it on Taygetans and all the other local GF enforcers who blew up Tiamat, set up the quarantine on Earth, let it be hacked, and then pretty much just let it deteriorate for centuries.

Taygetans seem to be saying that they are no longer the local GF enforcers. Prove it. Do something that would actually stop the genocide and not finish with the majority of the population culled.

I wouldn’t say I’m any sort of an expert, but yeah, many of those old Hindu, Jain and Buddhist texts are a treasure and still quite relatable.

I’d like to consider a bit how to respond regarding stopping desire, so will address here the other good topics you raise. Please don’t take the following as any sort of criticism. I’m just sharing my perspective.

Regarding illusion, I realise it is often used as a metaphor in Eastern traditions to illustrate and explain things. However, I also find it is often taken out of context (I’m not saying that you are), such as when some declare that entire life is an illusion or a game. I strongly disagree with that, which is why I strongly disagree with GF when they say that suffering of people in 3D doesn’t matter because 3D life is just a game.

I mean, if suffering is experienced, it’s not an illusion and certainly not a game. The perceived reason for suffering, or the situation in which suffering happens, may indeed be described as illusory by some, but that does not make the experience of suffering any less real. So, I think here I agree with Swaruus when they object to how GF sees our experiences in 3D.

In fact, I would extend the same reality to pain, hate, desire, kindness, etc, and say that there is no difference between the experience of desire (or hate, fear, etc) in 3D or 5D, 7D or whatever. The objects of desire may be different, but the same subconscious tendency is being experienced. That is why I entirely disagree with GF when they say that 3D lives are just a game. There is absolutely no difference between 3D and 5D, as far as the experience of subconscious tendencies is concerned at least.

Regarding consciousness being the only thing existing, or being everything. I realize that many Hindu traditions agree on that. Swaruus generally seem to say the same thing. I find Buddhist and Jain texts would differ though - consciousness for them would be just another one of those things you could get attached to, or basically just another point of attachment, or a “subconscious tendency” as I’d call it. That’s why a godhead, creator, source, etc, seem to play no part in those tradition, other than to dismiss as just another belief-system rather than direct knowledge.

Of course, saying that desire, consciousness, or kindness are just subconscious tendencies does not mean that they are illusions or worthless. On the contrary, they are experienced, and thus, very real (I'd say at least), regardless of whether they are experienced in 3, 5, or whatever D.

Similarly, saying that they are not worth attaching to (or seeing that freedom from them is preferrable to attachment to them) does not mean that life is pointless and that nothing matters. On the contrary, every single experience starts to matter, regardless of whether it is an experience of desire, consciousness, respect, hate, despair, etc.

I mean, if your goal is complete freedom, and you think you could get there by understanding the nature of these experiences, then every single moment becomes incredibly valuable because it presents an opportunity to understand these things deeper. The more you understand, the more freedom you gain. Life for the sake of understanding is worth living, I find. And if there is a bit of compassion, kindness, calm, etc, along the way, it could also be a fairly pleasant one.

Yes, I agree, one’s own freedom shouldn’t come at the expense of someone else’s freedom.

Thanks for raising the issue of non-existence / nihilism / oblivion - it’s an important one if the aim is complete freedom from the matrix. While I used to assume that the only way out of ‘existence’ would be ‘non-existence’, now it seems ‘non-existence’ is also a part of the matrix. Because it too is something that can be desired - it too can become a point of attachment.

In fact, when I was researching the traditions of the Indian subcontinent, they had several movements dedicated to nihilism (as well as many other movements). In short, it seems those who desire ‘non-existence’ would after death end up on a plane where all mental capacities are suspended for “a time”.

They would then experience exactly what they desired - nothing at all, however, the ‘non-experiencing’ would only last for “a time” that’s basically equivalent to the force of the desire to experience nothingness. Once the force of that desire is exhausted though, you would then ‘die’ from that plane and end up on some other plane where your mental capacities and experiencing would resume. In other words, you’re still not out of the matrix.

So basically, for complete freedom from the matrix, it looks like it’s important to understand the drawbacks of the subconscious tendency of desire itself, regardless of what happens to be desired - existence, non-existence, the source, void, or whatever else can become a point of attachment.

That doesn’t mean trying to stop desire/attachment, because that can’t be done by brute force (a.k.a. more desire). But, when its nature is thoroughly understood, then desire would stop of its own accord. Until then, I agree that it’s good to appreciate beauty.

For me, the highest beauty are the subconscious tendencies of kindness, compassion, patience, respect, wisdom, perseverance, etc. Because they provide a good contrast to seeing the drawbacks of other subconscious tendencies like desire, hate, pride, worry, regret, etc. And they also oftentimes feel pretty good

The best thing though is that kindness, compassion, etc, can spring up at any time, regardless of who or where you are. As in, we all have these subconscious tendencies and they are “free” to use at any time. The more their value is appreciated, the more easily they seem to spring up. A kind wish for someone’s health, or just a kind word - it’s all free, easy, and guaranteed to make life a bit more bearable at the time.

Some actually say that kindness, compassion, etc, can be developed to such strong degrees that you could experience pure bliss for aeons and aeons due to their strength. Of course, some say that there are things even better than pure bliss. And so on. I think it’s important to experience all these things for oneself so that at some point you can honestly say and just know that you are simply not interested anymore in anything whatsoever that the matrix has to offer.

Hi Grivehn, yes, sorry, I meant ‘desire’ as a subconscious tendency that would include attachment, wanting, liking, lust, etc. I’d say desire (along with other subconscious tendencies like hate, compassion, etc) is what creates one’s world, or the matrix.

So then, if desire is what creates the matrix, and you want to leave the matrix, what can you do? Wanting to leave the matrix would be, as you say, desire again. So, that can’t help. Trying to stop actions motivated by desire in order not to generate more matrix (e.g. karma) won’t help either, because that too you can only attempt based on desire/attachment.

Quite simply, if you are born into this world/matrix in any density, you are bound/driven/defined by those subconscious tendencies. They are the matrix, so to speak. So, how do you get out of the matrix then? I’d say that this can happen when the nature of subconscious tendencies is understood well enough. That is, the more you understand their nature, the less power they have to bind/drive/define you.

So, that would mean living your life as you normally do, liking and disliking things, working, fighting, etc, just like everyone else already does. But throughout all that, gradually, you can get to see through all the bullcrap - you can get to understand how those subconscious tendencies flare up, how they stop flaring up, how they grow, how they diminish, how they make you do certain things, and not other things, etc.
 
At some point, when their nature is understood well enough, you realise you no longer need them, because they no longer define you. When you no longer need them, you no longer identify with them. And when you no longer identify with them, they cannot manifest anymore. And then, there would be no more desire, no more hate, no more death, no more pain, etc. Ever. And that means, no more matrix. But, yes, that also means no more life, no more densities, no more source.

Anyway, what is beyond all that, I don’t know, but I aim to find out. And to be clear, that is my perspective, not Taygetan.

If I’m not mistaken, when Swaruus talk about points of attachment, manifesting, etc, I’d think they are also saying that desire/attachment is what actually creates one’s world. But then, that is not new. Various Hindu traditions have been saying that for a long time. And, courtesy of our Taygetan friends, we now know that Hindu traditions have been heavily influenced by the Andromedans from the start.

Interestingly, Hindu traditions have also been saying (as I understand it at least) that each soul/being is divine and that the ultimate goal of a soul is unification/integration with the divine - also known as - source.

To avoid confusion, I don’t think Swaruus ever said anything contrary to everyone being source, and source being everything. Whereas what I’m saying is basically that source is just another part of the matrix and therefore just another dead end if you aim to find a way out of all the death and suffering.

To be blunt, the cosmology that Swaruus have presented so far seems almost entirely Hindu (Andromedan). That concerns me. Granted, different Swaruus have given somewhat different accounts of the cosmology, but it all seems firmly rooted in the Andromedan stuff. It also concerns me that the history databases they are using seem to have GF (aka Andromedan) fingerprints all over.

But, let’s see what a future Swaruu presents. Maybe they will finally break away from the Andromedan stuff and come up with something of their own. Of course, I don’t mean that in an ironic way. I really do look forward to videos about Swaruu XV and seeing how their worldview evolves.

If your goal is to get to 5D, that is more than fine of course. I’m definitely not telling you what to do or not do. Just exchanging perspectives on the points of interest here, that’s all.

Personally, I don’t think there ever really is free will of any kind, anywhere. Only a belief or an illusion of having it, because things might suddenly seem a bit more comfortable than usual. But that usually passes sooner or later and then it’s be back to the usual crap. Basically, I’d say that as long as I’m driven by my subconscious tendencies of attachment, pride, hate, etc, I’m a slave. And it doesn’t matter whether I’m in a 5D space ship or a 3D tank - if hate drives me at some point, I’m liable to do damage at the time. In other words, I’m still making and living entirely within the matrix, no matter the D, no matter the psychic powers, no matter the degree of control I seem to have, or not, over my life at the particular point. And life of a slave is bound to suck and end (usually miserably), no matter the D.

But, I know, sometimes you really just want a vacation… Understandable of course, and there’s no shame in that. Have a good time whenever you do get to 5D. I’m pretty sure you won’t become a total dick like the other ‘emotionless hacks’ up there.

Perhaps we use the word matrix in different ways. I’d say that things like desire (or attachment as Yazhi perhaps calls it), as well as hate, pride, etc, are basically the ‘matrix within’, which then shapes the ‘matrix without’. And as long as you identify with these things - with your desire, etc, and take them as your soul, as ‘you’, there will be no freedom, regardless of which density you end up in, or how many psychic powers you end up having, or not. (Of course, I’m using the word ‘you’ figuratively here, I don’t mean you personally.)

In other words, as long as you are not aware that these things are what’s really driving all your actions, you are entirely driven by the matrix… You may believe that you have free will, that you are manifesting your reality, expanding, breaking through limitations, ascending, developing psychic powers.. But none of that changes the fact that you are still entirely driven by your subconscious tendencies, regardless of the D you end up in.

To put it differently, desire, attachment, pride, hate, etc, within are the very things that create the matrix without - all the Ds, so as long as you are in any of the Ds, you are still in the matrix. And with that, the endless loop of suffering and death, even though at some points it might look like you’re winning, because things may be temporarily a bit more comfortable than usual. Won’t last though.

Hi Crystal Dragon, Grivehn, Pink Chopper and all,

Your messages are painfully familiar. Even though I think most of us are here just as cannon fodder really, I still wanted to write a message of support. These things help me cope while hurtling towards certain death:

1. calm abiding - a sort of meditation which allows switching off discoursive thought instantly (and the associated worries, regret, etc). What is left instead is silence, calm, and eventually you start to feel energy bubbling up, recharging your batteries, and on ocassion you even end up feeling happy and content for no apparent reason.. Really though, it's just meditation on the breath, candle light, or whatever else helps you calm the thinking mind, which you can then recall whenever needed. Make no mistake though, ultimately this is just repression, so the worries, regret, etc, will come up again at some point and will need working through with shadow work, introspection, wisdom or whatever your preferred weapon of choice happens to be.

2. open-heartedness - as above, except instead of your attention being preoccupied with something neutral at the time (such as breath or candle light), you instead wish someone else good health, happiness, freedom from suffering, etc. In other words, instead of being preoccupied with your problems, you are entirely preoccupied with someone else's wellbeing at that moment, and so have no time to worry about your own problems Really though, this only works when the heart "opens" momentarily - it feels like a small supernova exploding in your chest and carrying your good wishes to their recipients, and at the time you can't help but feel alright because that is what you are wishing them in the first place.

3. knowing that all planets, realms, densities, dimensions, etc, will be more or less just as crappy as this one. In other words, a suicide, an honorable death, or not, there is always going to be another matrix wherever you land. I mean just look at GF or even Swaruus - Swaruu of Erra was killed so many times only to finally starve to death and her "soul" entirely lose interest in her. And that's after everything she's done for us... And GF, our 5D counterparts, just look at those bastards.. I certainly have no desire for 5D as it seems it's just another hellhole, only way bigger..

4. A goal - it's good to have a goal, it gives you momentum and keeps you moving even when you feel you have no more energy left to move. At this point, all I want is to destroy each and every matrix. Each and every density. Including the source and whatever other crap happens to lie beyond.